On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, dave.walters@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> On Jul 23, 2:35 am, stephen <srdiam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> This Socialist Organizer do***ent contains more on the Lambertiste
>> view of the 1960s. I infer they do not believe the SWP decisively
>> degenerated until the middle 1970s. It was the position of the IC
>> circe 1971 as I recalll, that many healthy elements still remained in
>> the SWP. It seems that the Lambertistes, like Healy and Wohlforth,
>> viewed the SWP as closer to Trotskyism than the Mandelites.
>
> I think it's the other way around, sort of.
>
> They completely opposed the 1963 reunification and essentially aligned
> with Healy on the im****tant points except the class nature of Cuba.
>
> They then pretty much ignored the SWP until the mid-1970s when their
> positions on Angola, ****tugal and the USFI generaly became congruent
> with the SWP. At that point discussions were opened...circa 1975. Both
> parties had been growing and the SWP/LTF tried to manouver for a
> fusion between the OCI's OCRFI and the USec.
>
> The 800 lbs gorilla in the room was Moreno, who had pretty much
> dominated L. American Trotskyism in this period and had been a key
> ally in the USFI with the SWP. By 1977 they had pretty much
> established their Bolshevik Faction after the SWP (mistakingly IMO)
> dissolved the LTF. The Nicaraguan revolution intervened, the BF and
> the OCRFI found themselves MORE congruent with each other than either
> had been with the SWP and the honeymoon was over.
>
> IMO, Lambert should of followed Moreno into the USFI in 1965. Big
> mistake. Oh well.
>
> David.
> David
>
By the way, I'd have to check some ancient aging do***ents I have
lying around somewhere on this, but according to my memory the
Spartacists, or rather the pre-Spartacists, did *not* necessarily
oppose reunification. Their problem with reunification as projected
was lack of internal democracy. Granted internal democracy, if I
remember right, they would not have opposed reunification of the FI,
as they believed the split in 1953 had been too organizational and
there had not been a thorough political struggle throughout the FI,
but an organizational split, possibly leaving revolutionary elements
still within the Pabloite camp.
This was one of the reasons they were very interested in the Cuban
Posadistas, who they were running a defense campaign for and trying to
contact. The current issue of Workers Vanguard has a piece about this,
a Spartacist on a delegation to Cuba personally confronted Che Guevara
over the imprisonment of the Posadistas.
I imagine they would have wanted to talk to the Algerian Posadistas as
well, who according to the stuff Vangelis posted had a very different
attitude to the Algerian government than did minister Pablo.
-jh-
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