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Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th

by dave.walters@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 24, 2008 at 07:28 AM

On Jul 23, 1:45 pm, stephen <srdiam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> What strikes me as most distinctive about the Lambertiste approach is
> their view that implementing the transitional program requires
> "materializing" (their term) specific transitional demands in broader
> organizations. Through work in these organizations, they recruit
> members, influence other tendencies, and even effect fusions with left-
> moving currents. I don't know if this was always their approach, or it
> was only adopted with the Workers Liaison Committees.
>
> The Lambertistes think the SWP's failure to fight seriously for a U.S.
> labor party was a root cause of its sectoralism in the 60s and its
> ultimate degeneration in the late 70's (not the middle 70s, as I had
> posted). What is a serious fight for a labor party?
>
> NOT (at least not primarily) carrying "Build a Labor Party Now"
> placards, like the Healyites. Rather they fight for local independent
> workers' candidacies and for a Black Party with a perspective aligned
> with the formation of a U.S. Labor Party. They are presently
> sup****ting the U.S. Presidential candidacy of Cynthian McKinney.
>
> Also NOT in the manner of the Robertsonites, who form transitional
> organizations that are really party adjuncts rather than broad forums.
>
> srd


SRD, what you say about 'in retrospect' is largely true. The OCI
barely commented on the SWP's anti-Vietnam war work. It' position on
the Labor Party..and I agree here with their analysis.. is also
retrospective. Looking backward, so to speak.

What the OCI talks about, and the Balance Sheet you posted, is based
on a more extensive do***ent by Frank Wainright that did a detailed
study of the application of the Labor Party position (as opposed to a
'slogan' or bullet point in a program) by the SWP from the 1930s
onward. It showed the weakness of the SWP's position and their lack of
waging a real fight around it, even though propagandistically they
were very much for a labor party be organized. They just didn't do
much about it. You made good point above.

David
 




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ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-21 02:09:13 
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Big Fat Fuck <bigfatph  2008-07-21 15:12:24 
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Einde O'Callaghan <ein  2008-07-22 09:10:51 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-07-22 09:49:41 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-22 13:22:25 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-07-22 15:39:54 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-22 15:42:13 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-22 16:23:47 
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ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-23 01:11:22 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-07-22 16:36:15 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-22 23:35:28 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-23 10:29:30 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-07-23 10:32:03 
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Big Fat Fuck <bigfatph  2008-07-23 14:48:27 
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