On Jul 24, 3:01=A0pm, John Holmes <jhol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, dave.walt...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > On Jul 23, 1:45 pm, stephen <srdiam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >> The Lambertistes think the SWP's failure to fight seriously for a
U.S.
> >> labor party was a root cause of its sectoralism in the 60s and its
> >> ultimate degeneration in the late 70's (not the middle 70s, as I had
> >> posted). What is a serious fight for a labor party?
>
> > I didn't answer that last question. It means actually finding
> > sup****ters for a Labor Party, especially in the unions, and actually
> > organizing committees, PACs, etc that would function *as a labor
> > party* and organize for local, state and a national labor party based
> > on the unions and their allies. It means jumping on any movement for
> > independent political action, period, and steering this toward
> > activists in the unions to build a workers party.
>
> > D.
>
> Ditto that, although I wouldn't restrict such work to unionists as
> such, you'd also want to bring in black community and immigrant
> rights groups etc. But without a solid union backbone it's not
> meaningful.
>
> It's just not really on the agenda right now, especially with
> Obamamania rampant among unionists. Perhaps that could change with the
> mounting economic crisis, which Obama will not do anything useful for
> working people about, after he is elected.
>
> -jh-
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>Aside from those episodes, the labor party demand has been a dead letter
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>practical purposes since the great Farmer-Labor fiasco of the 1920s. The
>Spartacists' propagandistic call for a "revolutionary labor party like
the
>one they had in Russia under Lenin" is about all the demand is really
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>at this moment, given the sad state of the American labor movement.
Holmes seems to think he agrees with the expressed position, whereas
the Spartacist attitude exemplifies an approach that the Lambertiste
position serves to repudiate. The Lambertistes point out that in
period of reaction, there will still be op****tunities. When the
Lambertistes complain about the SWP abandoning the labor party in
practice, this certainly includes the 50s.
srd
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