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Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink socialism

by John Holmes <jholmes@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 20, 2008 at 04:11 PM

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, David Stevens wrote:

> On the Peace and Freedom Party, I left a few loose ends that
> I ought to correct for the sake of the record.
>
> Although P&F is only a California political party today, it originally
> aspired to the national level.  CPUSA theoretician Herbert Aptheker
> was a 1966 P&F candidate for US Congress in New York.  The
> party also ran candidates in [the state of] Wa****ngton back then.
>
> Apparently, P&F still *aspires* to the national level: a Los Angeles
> meeting of its State [=only] Central Committee made a resolution
> to that effect on March 30, 2008.  It all sounds very exciting, and
> they've promised to write if they find work.
>
> Also, I erred in describing the votes at the recent P&F convention
> as being those of "delegates,"  at least in the sense that most readers
> may assume those delegates to be associated in some way with the
> outcome of the primary election.
>
> Similarly, John Holmes was just plain wrong about it:
>> 
>> But, since the party is just barely still hanging on to its ballot
status, 
>> it has primaries, so for the presidential nomination at least, it is
the 
>> actual PFP registered voters who decide who the candidate is, and they
are 
>> not socialists. For other ballot slots, the machine, such as it is,
decides 
>> who the candidates are, as nobody really cares, so they tend to be 
>> socialists of one stripe or another.
>
> P&F's primary election is merely advisory.  It does not appoint any
> "delegates" who then vote at the P&F convention.  (I would have
> been more accurate to say "apparatchiks of the various P&F County
> Central Committees" or something like that).  We cannot say that
> the "actual PFP registered voters .. decide who the candidate is"
> except in the sense that those who vote in the P&F convention are
> likely to look over their shoulders beforehand.
>
> In fact, Cynthia McKinney did much better in the primary popular
> vote (almost as well as Nader) than she did in at the P&F convention;
> and PSL socialist Gloria La Riva showed a strength at the convention
> dispro****tionate to her popular vote in the primary.
>
> P&F strongly opposed California's switch to "open" primaries, and
> they have consistently chosen not to allow party-switchers or
independents
> ("Decline to state" affiliations, in the local electoral parlance) to
vote 
> P&F
> in primary elections.  (The California Republicans generally don't,
either).
>
> So I don't want to leave anybody with the impression that P&F is
> an undisciplined party like the Democrats, aggressively distributing
> their primary ballots to us unwashed "Decline to state" m*****.
>
> To the contrary, the P&F has an explicit discipline, which might be
> characterized as electoral sup****t for "anything that moves":
>
>
http://peaceandfreedom.org/home/index.php/about-us/resolutions-and-statements/200-resolution-for-non-expulsion-motion
>
> - David Stevens 
>
So then it was the P&F socialistic apparatchniks (other than Gloria La 
Riva's people) who went for Nader! The rank and file, such as it is, 
kinda like McKinney actually. Worser and worser...

-jh-
 




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P&F: electoral death of pink socialism
"David Stevens"  2008-08-08 10:05:23 
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"David Stevens"  2008-08-20 12:59:03 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-20 16:11:25 
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"David Stevens"  2008-08-20 22:57:11 
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"David Stevens"  2008-08-23 08:49:00 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-23 11:08:18 
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"David Stevens"  2008-08-25 21:41:43 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-26 09:38:46 
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"David Stevens"  2008-08-30 10:35:44 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-26 18:04:23 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-26 19:07:26 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-26 23:35:01 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-28 18:40:53 
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ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-29 05:58:54 
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"David Stevens"  2008-08-30 10:35:56 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-29 13:17:22 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-30 12:06:44 
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"David Stevens"  2008-08-30 12:39:12 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-30 12:07:53 
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ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-31 01:07:02 
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