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Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink socialism

by nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 30, 2008 at 12:06 PM

On Aug 30, 10:35=A0am, "David Stevens" <passchenda...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> David Walters tries to mislead others the way he misleads himself.
>
> =A0Here I don't think Walters is consciously dishonest, so much as he
> maintains a reckless indifference to truth.
>
> =A0Peace and Freedom is *not* obliged to obey the same laws as the
> Democrats or other parties regarding representational issues. =A0
>
> =A0When Walters falsely alleged that P&F has "no choice," perhaps he
> did not lie consciously. =A0
>
> =A0What, after all, is consciousness?
>
> =A0For those who investigate questions objectively, all of California's
> Elections Code is available
online:http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/cala=
wquery?codesection=3Delec
>
> =A0Part 5 of Elections Code is specifically crafted for Peace & Freedom.
>
> =A0Sections 7803 and 7851, in particular, breathe a fierce pink fire.
>
> > This is a faire, albeit somewhat contorted view. First, ALL Parties,
> > as noted above David, HAVE to have CC elections done in this manner.
> > Anyone can run for the CC elections (we're talking county CC
> > elections) but this would be just a true for the David Steven's ultra-
> > trot-leninist league =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 [.. snip of usual rant
..]
>
> - David Stevens
>
> [Cal. Elections Code, Part 5, Chapter 3]:
>
> 7802. =A0At its convention and subsequent meetings the state central
> committee, in its sole discretion, may appoint any additional members
> to the state central committee as it may desire.
>
> 7803. =A0The state central committee may require a balance of elected
> and appointed members so that 50 percent of the state central
> committee members from each county are women and 50 percent are men
> ...
>
> 7840. =A0The state central committee shall have power to appoint
> interim county central committees in the following counties:
> =A0 =A0(a) Counties in which the voters have not elected one or more
> members of central committees in the direct primary election\
> preceding the organization of this committee.
> =A0 =A0(b) Counties in which all members of a county central committee
> are removed from office or cease to be registered as affiliated with
> the Peace and Freedom Party.
> =A0 =A0Persons appointed to interim county central committees pursuant
to
> this section shall meet the qualifications otherwise required of
> appointees to member****p on the county central committees. =A0Notice
> of any appointments pursuant to this section shall be filed by the
> state central committee with the elections official of the county for
> which that interim county central committee is appointed. =A0Interim
> county central committees appointed pursuant to this section shall
> have all the powers and privileges afforded county central committees
> by this part.
>
> 7841. =A0A quorum of this committee is 10 percent of the entire
> member****p, represented in person. =A0However, the committee may make
> rules and regulations establi****ng a different quorum requirement,
> and any provisions so made shall supersede the provisions of this
> section.
>
> 7842. =A0The state central committee shall designate by resolution the
> national political party with which the Peace and Freedom Party is
> affiliated, and shall file a copy of that resolution signed by the
> chairperson and one other officer of this committee with the
> Secretary of State. =A0In the event of controversy over the national
> affiliation of the party, the most recent resolution filed shall be
> determinative.
>
> [Cal. Elections Code, Part 5, Chapter 4]:
>
> 7850. =A0At its first meeting on the second Tuesday in July following
> the direct primary election and at subsequent meetings, a county
> central committee, in its sole discretion, may appoint any additional
> members to the county central committee as it may desire.
>
> 7851. =A0A county central committee may require a balance of elected
> and appointed committee members to create a total member****p division
> of 50 percent women and 50 percent men.
> ...
>
> 7857. =A0If no members of central committees have been elected in a
> county at the preceding direct primary election or, if for any reason
> all the members of a county central committee are removed from
> office or cease to be registered as affiliated as members of the
> Peace and Freedom Party, then an interim county central committee
> with full powers may be appointed by the state central committee
> under the procedures specified in Section 7840.

Not sure *what* I was wrong about, perhaps you can distill this down a
bit. At any rate, I'm no defender of State election law, per se, nor
even the way the P&F operates, per se, but it seems that any group
trying to be on the ballot as a *registered* party, has to follow
these laws. You also know (pehaps you do not) that you can get
*candidate* on the ballot as a one shot deal, petitioning, and not
have all this CC stuff. I think. We tried that in 1976 to get Camejo
on the ballot that way.

David
 




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P&F: electoral death of pink socialism
"David Stevens"  2008-08-08 10:05:23 
Re: P&F: electoral death of pink socialism
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-08 11:59:13 
Re: P&F: electoral death of pink socialism
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-08 11:59:23 
(minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink socialism
"David Stevens"  2008-08-20 12:59:03 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-13 12:57:07 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-13 16:21:18 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-13 16:55:14 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-13 19:17:12 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-14 17:14:58 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-20 16:11:25 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-20 17:17:50 
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"David Stevens"  2008-08-20 22:57:11 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-21 08:21:13 
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"David Stevens"  2008-08-23 08:49:00 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-23 11:08:18 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
"David Stevens"  2008-08-25 21:41:43 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-26 09:38:46 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
"David Stevens"  2008-08-30 10:35:44 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-26 18:04:23 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-26 19:07:26 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-26 23:35:01 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-27 07:25:16 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-27 09:15:55 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-27 15:52:35 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-27 22:09:01 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-27 22:33:34 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-28 07:34:54 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-28 07:35:30 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-28 09:57:28 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-28 18:40:53 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-29 05:58:54 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
"David Stevens"  2008-08-30 10:35:56 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-29 13:17:22 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-30 12:06:44 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
"David Stevens"  2008-08-30 12:39:12 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-30 12:07:53 
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ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-31 01:07:02 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-30 14:59:36 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-30 21:07:50 
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ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-31 15:12:42 
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