Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink socialism

nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Aug 30, 6:07 pm, ross <nob...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> nada <dwalters...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > On Aug 30, 10:35 am, "David Stevens" <passchenda...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > wrote: 
>> >> Ross:
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>> >> > All of this is not exactly in my line of experience, you see, as
>> >> > I'm used to doing electoral politics within the New Democratic
>> >> > Party, which is still a genuinely labor-based social-democratic
>> >> > party. We don't have to build one.
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>> >>  That sounds incurably two-stagist.  
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>> >>  It's as if Ross surviews a large and fertile field in a good
>> >> climate:
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>> >>  "Yes, we could grow some good potatoes.  
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>> >>  "But first, we need an ample supply of potato bugs."  
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>> >> - David Stevens
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>> > "two-stagist"? We're not talking about the Democratic Revolution
>> > growing over into a socialist one, we're talking about working
>> > class independent political action (I think). Nothing to do with
>> > stages, everything to do with tactics.
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>> > David
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>> Which would be correct. The whole traditional Trotskyist strategy in
>> the US was predicated on the struggle to build a labor party ... a
>> fight which is not necessary up here North of the Lakes, because
>> there is one. Our fight here is to keep it away from Blairism, a
>> fight which those of us in the Socialist Caucus have been pursuing
>> for years now with some success.
>>
>> --
>> Ross in Toronto
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> ..and the struggle to build a Trotskyist party as part of this work,
> yes?
> 
> David

That would have it backwards, David, the revolutionary party can be 
built through the fight to keep the labour party from capitulating 
totally a la Blair. The revolutionary party is the tactical goal here, 
the struggle for the labour party, or for the continued existence of the 
labour connection and working-class politics within that party, the 
fight for the political independence of the working class, is the means.
--
Ross in Toronto