On Sun, 4 May 2008 03:17:29 -1000, in uk.politics.misc, "Jerry
Okamura" <okamuraj005@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, wrote
>
>"znuybv" <tjwilson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:d0f15e28-02f7-4e58-b87a-aa6d3dfa9ca3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On May 3, 10:02 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> On Apr 28, 9:00 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Socialism is control of property and means of production by the
state.
>>> > ...
>>>
>>> No. That is state capitalism.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ron
>>
>> Define socialism.
>
>Another good question. Again, here is what is in Wikipedia.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
I have an axiom: anything that can be slanted will be slanted by
wiki-anything.
Try a dictionary definition:
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Quick definitions (socialism)
# noun: a political theory advocating state owner****p of industry
# noun: an economic system based on state owner****p of capital
We found 36 dictionaries with English definitions that include the word
socialism:
Tip: Click on the first link on a line below to go directly to a page
where "socialism" is defined.
http://www.onelook.com/?w=socialism&ls=a
As a political or social model, it is pretty cut and dried.
I read the first few lines of the wiki entry and the serenade and flower
petals became a bit too thick..........
FACE
--
"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the
means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave
men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between
murder and suicide."
-- Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons"
"The difference between socialism and fascism is superficial and
purely formal... under fascism, men retain the semblance or pretense
of private property, but the government holds total power over its use
and disposal...
If 'owner****p' means the right to determine the use and disposal of
material goods, then Nazism endowed the state with every real
prerogative of owner****p. What the individual retained was merely a
formal deed, a contentless deed, which conferred no rights on its
holder. Under communism, there is collective owner****p of property
_de jure_. Under Nazism, there is the same collective owner****p
_de facto_"
Ayn Rand (Lexicon 159, 161).
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