Re: Re: Socialism and Capitalism

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:00:05 -0400, Fred <fred@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:


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>        I divide economic systems into three main categories, (there may
be more): 
>Scarce money systems, plentiful money systems, and no money systems. 
Only
>the scarce money systems reward misbehaviour, (selfishness, legalised
>cheating, etc.).  The other two are neutral to them I believe.

No, "no money system" does nothing to stop selfishness. That is the
problem. Unless you mean pure Communism, but that is just utter
nonsense.

>
>        Capitalism is *all about* taking money away from others.  That's
how the
>game is played.  The more money you get the more power you have.

  Wrong again. Capitalism does create wealth. The problem with it is
that it does nothing to stop greed and selfishness.

>
>        It is unknown whether psychopaths are a product of the economic
system. 

No, it is known. An economic system that does not permit psycopaths is
needed.


>For instance it could be that under a universal plentiful money system,
>like an expanded LETSystem, that psychopaths don't develop.  The economy
is
>stable and it does not create class divisions. 

 There needs to be the inventer class, the brains class, and the hands
class. There is no universal wealth without them. Some people have to
do the work and some people have to manage the business. Class hatred
is part of the Communist rubbish.

  But something needs to balance out the money better. Capitalism
doesn't cut it. And something needs to give the cl***** equal respect
and encourage friend****p between them.

> The security that is
>inherant in such a system may breed better mental health.  We don't know.

>It's never been tried,

 It's never been tried because it is utter nonsense. If everyone owned
everything equally, very few would work and wealth would not be
produced. 

> and it would take at least a generation to find out.
>My point is that there are so many horrors that fall out of scarce money
>systems, (including both capitalism & communism), that it really is worth
a
>try.

What you seem to be suggesting is not worth a try.

>        Not true.  People arestarving in the streets in the U.S.  Not in
Cuba. 
>Factor in what Americans pay for health care, and education, and Cubans
>aren't that poor.  Add that Cuba now grows organic food all over the
>country and their diet is much better than that of Americans. 

Well, they are right about the food.

> They have
>less stress and less need to compete.  I don't know if they have fewer
>psychopaths, and that would be a difficult measurement to take.  There is
>less poverty in Cuba, and there are no extremely wealthy either.
>
>        Not what I said, is it?!  There may be hundreds of thousands in
the U.S. 
>Nobody knows, because there are no truthful sources for such information
in
>the U.S.


>        Capitalism breeds class divisions and ignores the poor.  This
creates
>homeless families  and their children going hungry.  Charity never keeps
up
>because Capitalism punishes every charitable act.
>
>
>        Not many know about what conditions are like in Cuba, because the
U.S.
>propaganda machine is so huge.  They have not been made rich by the
>revolution, but they have been empowered by it.  This is far more
>meaningful to a healthy life than mad consumerism.  It's still a scarce
>money economy, but they are at least making the effort to correct the
worst
>of the problems.

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