Re: Re: Re: Socialism and Capitalism

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:22:28 -0400, Fred <fred@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>        Communism is a step up from capitalism, but it's not perfect. 
Not a bad
>first step if it's done properly, however. 

  Communism is nothing but utter nonsense. If everyone "owned"
everything in common hardly anyone would do any work for one thing.
It's ridiculous. 

> It still uses scarce money and
>is subject to the same "capital" pressure due to the nature of the money
>system, but communists at least recognise the problems with capitalism
and
>are doing something to try to fix it.

 No, they are in league with the Capitalists. Here is a quote from
Mein Kampf:

       "the Jew seized upon the manifold possibilities which the
situation offered him for the future. While on the one hand he
organized capitalistic methods of exploitation to their ultimate
degree of efficiency, he curried favour with the victims of his policy
and his power and in a short while became the leader of their struggle
against himself. 'Against himself' is here only a figurative way of
speaking; for this 'Great Master of Lies' knows how to appear in the
guise of the innocent and throw the guilt on others. Since he had the
impudence to take a personal lead among the m*****, they never for a
moment suspected that they were falling prey to one of the most
infamous deceits ever practiced. And yet that is what it actually
was."

>        People create wealth.  Capitalists take wealth away from the
people and
>money is their weapon of choice.

 Working people create wealth. 


>        "Some people have to do the work and some people have to manage
the
>business."  --That's exactly the problem.  An egalitarian workers
>cooperative would be one solution.  There does not have to be leaders and
>followers.  Much better is an egalitarian society.

 No, we just need to stop greed. Your egalitarian society of workers
without leaders would be a complete disaster. Here are some quotes
from Mein Kampf:


     "Hence all inventions are the result of the creative faculty of
the individual. And all such individuals, whether they have willed it
or not, are the benefactors of mankind, both great and small. Through
their work millions and indeed billions of human beings have been
provided with means and resources which facilitate their struggle for
existence.
    "Thus at the origin of the material civilization which flourishes
to-day we always see individual persons. They supplement one another
and  one of them bases his work on that of another. The same is true
in regard to the practical application of those inventions and
discoveries. For all the various methods of production are in their
turn inventions also and consequently dependant on the creative
faculty of the individual. Even in purely theoretical work, which can
not be measured by a definite rule and is preliminary to all
subsequent technical discoveries, is exclusively the product of the
individual brain. The broad m***** do not invent, nor does the
majority organize or think; but always and in every case the
individual man, the person."

    "Therefore not only does the organization possess no right to
prevent men of brains from rising above the multitude but, on the
contrary, it must use its organizing powers to enable and promote that
ascension as far as it possibly can. It must start out from the
principle that the blessings of mankind never came from the m***** but
from the creative brains of individuals, who are therefore the real
benefactors of humanity. It is in the interest of all to assure men of
creative brains a decisive influence and facilitate their work. This
common interest is surely not served by allowing the multitude to
rule, for they are not capable of thinking nor are they efficient and
in no case whatsoever can they be said to be gifted. Only those should
rule who have the natural temperament and gifts of leader****p."

     "Though all human civilization has resulted exclusively from the
creative activity of the individual, the principle that it is the mass
which counts--through the decision of the majority-- makes its
appearance only in the administration of the national community
especially in the higher grades; and from their downwards the poison
gradually filters into all branches of national life, thus causing a
veritable decomposition. The destructive workings of Judaism in
different parts of the national body can be ascribed fundamentally to
the persistent Jewish efforts at undermining the im****tance of
personality among the nations that are their hosts and, in place of
personality, substituting the domination of the m*****. The
constructive principle of Aryan humanity is thus displaced by the
destructive principle of the Jews. They become the 'ferment of
decomposition' among nations and races and, in a broad sense, the
wreckers of human civilization.
       "Marxism represents the most striking phase of the Jewish
endeavor to eliminate the dominant significance of personality in
every sphere of human life and replace it by the numerical power of
the m*****. In politics the parliamentary form of government is the
expression of this effort. We can observe the fatal  effects of it
everywhere, from the smallest parish council upwards to the highest
governing circles of the nation. In the field of economics we see the
trades union movement, which does not serve the real interests of the
employees but the destructive aims of international Jewry."

      "If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand
the fundamental im****tance of the essential principle, if it should
merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt
the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete
with Marxism on its own ground."

    "The best constitution and the best form of government is that
which makes it quite natural for the best brains to reach a position
of dominant im****tance and influence in the community."


>        Respect has to be earned.  You simply cannot have selfish minded
people
>saying, "We have to be in charge so respect us." 

 They shouldn't have that kind of power. They should be in charge of
their companies, but if the don't treat people right, the government
arrives and kicks some butt.

> They will be resented and
>hated, and with some justification.

 No, legitimate complaints would be heart immediately, and the problem
would be solved pronto.


>  Only when people share equally the
>wealth and the responsibility with mutual sup****t,... then respect flows
>naturally.

 No. Communist nonsense is dangerously false. People are not equal. A
competant business leader is more qualified to run the company than an
collection of floor sweepers and other workers all with a equal vote.
I don't mean disrespect for the floor sweepers. They should be
honorered and well paid. But it points out the errors of your
communist fantasies.


>        People generally like to work and be productive.  It's actually
very hard
>to do nothing.  

 Not as much as they like to play. 

>From the time we're very young we picture ourselves making
>a contribution.  Little boys want to be firemen to save people and so on.

>It's human nature to want to help others.  We have to get back in touch
>with those feelings, because the fast paced, scarce money system has
pushed
>it out of us.  It tries to turn us all into psychopaths, because that's
the
>nature of capitalism.

 Everyone should have to work. If they don't want to work we should
let them go hungry until they change their minds.

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