Re: Re: Re: Socialism and Capitalism

Topaz wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:22:28 -0400, Fred <fred@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>        Communism is a step up from capitalism, but it's not perfect. 
Not
>>        a bad
>>first step if it's done properly, however.
> 
>   Communism is nothing but utter nonsense. If everyone "owned"
> everything in common hardly anyone would do any work for one thing.
> It's ridiculous.
> 
        No people are doing work without whips and chains, and after
capitalism
they still will work.  Why wouldn't they?

>> It still uses scarce money and
>>is subject to the same "capital" pressure due to the nature of the money
>>system, but communists at least recognise the problems with capitalism
and
>>are doing something to try to fix it.
> 
>  No, they are in league with the Capitalists. Here is a quote from
> Mein Kampf:
> 
>        "the Jew seized upon the manifold possibilities which the
> situation offered him for the future. While on the one hand he
> organized capitalistic methods of exploitation to their ultimate
> degree of efficiency, he curried favour with the victims of his policy
> and his power and in a short while became the leader of their struggle
> against himself. 'Against himself' is here only a figurative way of
> speaking; for this 'Great Master of Lies' knows how to appear in the
> guise of the innocent and throw the guilt on others. Since he had the
> impudence to take a personal lead among the m*****, they never for a
> moment suspected that they were falling prey to one of the most
> infamous deceits ever practiced. And yet that is what it actually
> was."
> 

        So you're quoting Adolf Hitler as a reliable source then?  I think
my work
here is finished.

>>        People create wealth.  Capitalists take wealth away from the
>>        people and
>>money is their weapon of choice.
> 
>  Working people create wealth.
> 
        Right.  20,000 Cuban doctors in Venezuela created a health system.

> 
>>        "Some people have to do the work and some people have to manage
>>        the
>>business."  --That's exactly the problem.  An egalitarian workers
>>cooperative would be one solution.  There does not have to be leaders
and
>>followers.  Much better is an egalitarian society.
> 
>  No, we just need to stop greed. Your egalitarian society of workers
> without leaders would be a complete disaster. Here are some quotes
> from Mein Kampf:
> 
        OK, I stopped reading at this point.  Yes, we need to stop greed
and that's
exactly what egalitarian economic systems do.  Communists stop greed with
force.  Alternative economics systems like plentiful money systems, stop
greed by not rewarding it.  Capitalism calls greed a virtue and bashes on
ahead with the destruction.

-- 
Peace,
Fred
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