Re: Socialism and Capitalism

On Jul 18, 6:05 am, Topaz <mars1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>      Capitalismand Communism are both bad. The problem withcapitalismis
that it puts no special value on people.

JG: You do not comprehend the definition.
Please re-read the definition for PRIVATE PROPERTY, and then note that
communism ABOLISHES private property owner****p.

NOW, if YOU can absolutely own yourself, your labor and the fruits of
your labor, is that NOT a recognition of your VALUE as a human being?
And a government that pledges to help secure said rights is in harmony
with capitalism?


> Capitalismis
> based on supply and demand.

JG: No, capitalism is based on absolute owner****p.
You confuse money tokenism with capitalism.
Putting a price, denominated in money, upon all things is not part of
the definition for capitalism.
Capitalism can exist with or without money.

> A capitalist company that made potato
> chips for example would need--X number of potatoes, Y amount of salt,
> and Z number of human beings for labor. The human beings have no more
> value than the potatoes or the salt. And they consider it good to pay
> the humans as little as they possibly can to increase their profits.

JG: You confuse limited liability cor****ations involved with usury,
and assume they are "capitalists".
Go back and read where it says in anything about scheming to take the
private property of another, in the definition for capitalism.


>      According to capitalist theory people must compete to see who
> will work for the least pennies per hour.

JG: You are confusing arguments from the Communist Manifesto (which
attacks the private owner****p of all things) and denouncing
capitalism, while using an example of usury.



>. You would think everything would be great, but undercapitalism the
people would starve because there
>  wouldn't be enough  jobs.

JG: There you go, confusing money tokenism (all things have a price,
and you need money to acquire them).


>       Capitalists oppose welfare and say that orphans and other needy
> people should be helped by charity.

JG: Voluntary charity is a blessing. Involuntary Charity is a curse.

If you prefer to be compelled to give charity, and have no right to
own yourself, your labors and the fruits of your labor, then you
certainly will HATE capitalism.

But I doubt that is what  you really believe.
If you wanted to spend your life working for the benefit of others,
there are many charitable organizations and religious orders that
would welcome you.

What I suspect, is that you are truly a pirate socialist, seeking to
take the private property of others, and share the booty among the
socialist crewmen on the ****p of State.
But do not be surprised when your victims rebel and make you walk the
plank.