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Re: Socialism and Capitalism

by Michael Price <nini_pad@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 23, 2008 at 12:12 AM

On Jul 22, 6:39=A0pm, tk9...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ok my point of view (somehow randomless). Capitalism would be a good
> system if the world had been in sandbox mode. You know endless
> resources, zero disposal and good willing nature of everyone
> (literally everyone).

  Ok why?  Why would you need endless resources for capitalism to
work, especially considering that capitalism is essentially a system
for
handling limited resources.

> =A0I believe we all understand that if all the
> countries in the world adopt the "ac***ulation of capital and wealth
> paradigm" =A0this planet would come to an end at least for the humans
> (long live roaches).

  Where's the evidence for this?  The Malthusian delusion has been
used to predict disaster time after time, not once correctly.

> So there are two options: either we leave the
> number of capitalists countries constant or we all change to a
> different economic system that can sup****t all of us. Of course
> capitalism is far more better than communism in the ways of production
> since in capitalism production methods are intensive (we use something
> until is completely dilapitated; even humans)

  No, the capitalist production methods are no more intensive than
communist ones, they're just better at maximising return for
resources,
including humans.  Capitalism is actually less likely to use humans
"until is completely dilapitated" because under capitalism the human
owns himself.

> and in communism
> extensive (we use as many as possible resources). That means if
> communism was the winner, today we wouldn't exist (figure of speech).
> As for these metaphysics mumbo jumbo that people born greedy or
> selfish.... come on... people become what their environment is.

  And their enviroment is one of limited resources and unlimited
wants.
Always has been.

> And before you object, i'm telling you that it takes more than one
> generation for things to change. So even if we change our habits we
> will not be alive to see how things will go (well i have a cryogenic
> unit at home i hope it'll work). And yes Socialism is the answer but
> with a twist of individuality. Let's call it liberal Socialism.

  Let's not.
 




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