Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Socialism and Capitalism

Topaz wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:17:18 -0400, Fred <fred@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>        The new system is not based on money as a scarce commodity.  You
>>        buy things
>>by issuing money, but most people arecapable of understanding that they
>>still need "things" and somebody has to make them.  It would be
>>the "things" (goods and services), that people would have to relate to
>>instead of the money.  People can do this.  We have brains.
> 
>   Without money there would just be a war over the "things". The love
> of money may be the root of all evil. But we do need money. You
> suggest that there is some other way of exchanging goods and services
> but you don't clearly show that it exists. There is barter but it is
> far too slow and inefficient.
> 
        Barter is inefficient and it's not suggested here.  What I propose
is
essentially allowing a new human right, the right to issue money!

>  By the way, the question of where money comes from is at the root of
> problems:
> 
        *One* of the features that is different in the systems.  I think
there are
other "problems" that are far greater and cause far more misery.
> 
> 
>           The money system we have today is called the debt-money
> system. It is corrupt and needs to be replaced. The only way money
> comes into existence today is when it is borrowed. There is no freely
> existing money supply, but only borrowed money that needs to be paid
> back to bankers with interest. If all the money that was owed to
> bankers was ever paid back there would be no money left in circulation
> and this would be a great depression. What makes matters even worse is
> that when money is created only the principle of the loan is created.
> The money needed to pay the interest is never created. For this reason
> it is impossible to pay back the principle plus the interest on all of
> the loans that make up our money supply. The extra amount of money
> needed to pay the interest was never created and does not exist.
> 
>      The United States government borrows money from the Federal
> Reserve Bank. This bank is not federal but owned by private
> stockholders. It is in the business section of the phone book, not the
> government section. Other banks also create the money in our money
> supply. They are allowed to loan out much more money then they
> actually have. Thus they create new money. No one else is allowed to
> create money, only bankers have this privilege. All of our money is
> debt-money and it is all owed back to bankers, plus the interest.
> 
>        In the U.S.A. money is created by the Bureau of Engraving and
> Printing which is a unit of the treasury, but the orders to print come
> from the Federal Reserve Banks. The money is created for and owned by
> the banks. And the Federal Reserve Banks are not Federal, in spite of
> the name. Privately owned commercial banks own the stock of the
> Federal Reserve Banks. The Federal Reserve Banks give the newly
> created money to the government in exchange for government bonds. To
> simplify: The United States does not make its own money. Bankers
> create the money and loan it to the United States with an interest
> charge.
> 
>        The book War Cycles Peace Cycles puts it  this way:
> 
>         "If there is only $10 in existence, and you lend it to someone
> under the condition that he repay $11, and if he agrees to this, he
> has agreed to the impossible."
> 
>       The book  The Struggle for World Power put it this way:
> 
>       "The Bank of England... was the first payment institution which
> was legally empowered to issue state-authorized paper currency and ,
> therefore, the Government itself became its debtor. Thus the State not
> only renounced its monopoly on monetary emission, but also agreed to
> borrow the privately-created money from the bankers...Not only the
> thing being done, but even the very name was a deliberate fraud and
> deception to conceal the essence of the deed. To create money out of
> nothing is to make valid and effective claim on all goods and services
> for no return, which is fraud and theft, made worse by the
> cir***stances that the money is lent out at interest...it follows that
> those who have the power to 'create' out of nothing all the money in
> each country and the whole world and lend it as stated, have total
> power over all states, parties, firms, radio, press, individuals and
> so on. Therefore the power of Parliament in general, and especially
> with regard to money, is non-existent, and all the true sovereignty is
> in the hands of those private individuals who issue all money"
> 
>       
> 
> http://www.ihr.org/
     http://www.natvan.com
> 
> http://www.thebirdman.org
    http://www.nsm88.com/
> 
> http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html

        These are all racist websites to some degree or another, and the
nsm88 is a
nazi website.  It does not bode well for your image.  Not with me anyway.

-- 
Peace,
Fred
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