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Re: Re: Capitalism

by Topaz <mars1933@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 27, 2008 at 05:17 AM

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:50:59 -0700 (PDT), Michael Price
<nini_pad@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:


>> >  And as I said it must be better than any other solution for the
>> >worker
>> >because otherwise the worker would have chosen that solution.
>>
>>  They did.
>
>  Sorry liar but they did not.


George Bernard Shaw:

  When I said the Herr Hitler's action was right and inevitable, the
storm of abuse that was about to bust on me was suddenly checked by
Mr. Lloyd George saying exactly the same thing. It is inconceivable
that a single vote should be cast against him."

David Lloyd George, Daily Express 17.9.1936:

 I have never met a happier people than the Germans and Hitler is one
of the greatest men. The old trust him; the young idolize him. It is
the wor****p of a national hero who has saved his country.

Hans Grimm:

 I witness with awe and admiration, that he, as nearly the first in
the world, caused multitudes without force or any personal benefits to
follow him of their own free will and volition.

The Observer, John L. Garvin:

 I have talked to the humblest type of laborers, with merchants,
professional men. I have yet to discover a single dissenting voice to
the question of loyalty to the Fuehrer.

John F Kennedy, U.S President, Prelude to Leader****p, The European
Diary of JF Kennedy, Summer, 1945:

After visiting these two places (the town of Berchtesgaden and
Odersalzberg) you can easily understand how that within a few years
Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of
the most significant figures who ever lived. He had in him the stuff
of which legends are made.


>  Note that nowhere in this "essay" is there any evidence that
>having "beautiful workplaces" was something that workers valued
>more than they would have valued the resources put into making
>them beautiful.  If workers desired this beauty so much why
>didn't their union leaders ask for it instead of a pay rise?

  The unions were run by Communists. The unions were replaced by
something better. 

By Walter Ruthard

   I myself was brought up in a small village in the southwest of
Germany. In 1939, when the war broke out, we left for the less exposed
Odenwald area until the possible danger of a French invasion had
passed. Shortly after that my father was transferred to the Ruhr
region. He as requested work as a foreman for the Mauser arms factory.
The government, true to their claims to be national and socialist,
took their promises seriously and provided young people starting a
family, as well as those who already had children, with affordable
housing. The first child brought a reduction of the mortgage by 25
percent, and when the fourth child arrived the mortgage was no more.
My parents already had four children then and thus were eligible for a
free newly built house from the government.

 This was but one of the many programs the government established in
order to improve the quality of life for its citizens..

  Then there was the "Kinderlandverschickung" program. It was started
before the war and enabled mothers in need of recreation to spend some
time in rural settings together with their children..

 Another very popular social program of the government was "Kraft
durch Freude" (strength through joy). Here deserving workers could
take all-inclusive tours on luxury liners that were built especially
for this purpose. On these ****ps there was only one class and
everybody was treated the same. They visited the Azores and
Spitsbergen among other places. Those ****ps were not allowed to dock
in and English ****t however. The reason was that the British
government did not want it's citizens to see what it also could have
done for them..

  The most misinterpreted program in Germany was the so-called
"Lebensborn". It was the exact opposite of what people are made to
believe it was, or should I say, of what people like to believe..  The
Lebensborn was the institution to help unwed mothers who did not know
where to turn for help. They were taken care of during their
pregnancies and afterward as well. This was the Lebensborn, and any
other interpretation is plain hogwash..

  My father was able to buy not one but three guns plus two pistols,
together with plenty of ammunition. All it took him was proof that he
was indeed a German citizen without a criminal record. Then in 1945,
when the French "liberated" us, they disarmed him. I know that he was
not  the only one to have guns at home, because I saw the many, many
arms that were handed over to the French, and this was in a very small
village..

Then, after the war was over, we had our first experience with a real
democracy. The French introduced it and gave us some ****ning examples;
one was that the lived off the country and stole everything which
wasn't nailed down..

 It was not until many years later that I learned that Hitler held at
least five plebiscites during the first half of his rule. In
democratic Germany, from 1945 until today there has never been  a
plebiscite. 

 There were foreign workers employed in Germany during WWII. I knew
one of them. He worked on a farm and was treated exactly like the son
who was in the army. After the war he stayed on and married the
daughter of the house. He was a prisoner of war from Poland and I
never saw him guarded by any policeman. This is how foreigners were
treated in Germany. They earned the same wages as the Germans, they
took part in the social insurance program, had paid-for holidays
including free train fares, and many came back with friends who also
wanted to work for these "horrible" Germans. Today they are called
slave laborer.

 Not everyone was entitled to go on to a university. Only good marks
and above-average performance in schools qualified. But good
performers were promoted with all means available. Today we are much
more democratic; everyone is entitled to a university education and if
the parents are wealthy enough, the son or daughter can study until
they are 35..

 Germany was also the country to introduce, in 1933, the first-ever
comprehensive animal protection law. Farm animals had to be kept in
strictly natural environments and no animal factories were allowed. Of
course, no testing of products on animals was permitted, and no kosher
slaughter.

  If new industrial facilities were built they had to conform to the
highest standards with adequate lighting and air inside, canteens
where the workers were served nutritious meals at affordable prices,
and beautiful lawns outside: all for the benefit of the workers.. In
national socialist Germany, no child labor was allowed as it still was
in other European countries. 

  
And finally, although I could still go on for a while, I would like to
mention that on express orders from Hitler himself, it was strictly
forbidden to use cor****al punishment in the army. He was of the
opinion that in was incompatible with the honor of a German to be
punished by such degrading means. 

 That was the Germany I grew up in, and I am glad that I did.


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