On Sat, 03 May 2008 03:06:30 -0400, CB wrote:
>
> "The Trucker" <mikcob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.05.03.01.44.39.934190@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 17:52:49 -0400, CB wrote:
>
>
>>> But as most Libs, you whine "no fay'uh" if someone does better than
you.
>>
>> When people seek justice they always encounter the rightard and his
"envy
>> pony", and then the next display is the "commie" crap. Sometimes the
>> order is reversed.
>
> Are you Left of Commi?
You are the far side of Idiot.
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Create a business friendly atmosphere here (end cor****ate taxes on
>>>>> inanimate
>>>>> objects) and industry will come home.
>>>>
>>>> No thanks. I am not in search of "business". I am in search of
>>>> prosperity.
>>>
>>> ...from others success, as in leech, not from your own hard work.
>>
>> I have earned what I have and have no wish to take what anyone else has
>> earned. UNLESS, that is, he is so damned stupid to think that ha gets
>> government services like property rights enforcement free of charge.
>
> Say what?
The primary role of government is the enforcement of property rights. It
is probably quite fitting that this service would be finance by a tax on
property.
>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hillary threatens the fuel industry with windfall taxes. What's to
>>>>>>> prevent
>>>>>>> them mean oil companies to say "the Hell with that" and move to
Dubi,
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> business is welcome?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Can I go to the docks and
throw
>>>>>> flowers as these rip off artists move their offices to Dubai? Are
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> going to take the oil with them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Libs always eat the goose that lays the golden egg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only "golden egg" is the oil itself.
>>>
>>> And you curse the people who exploit it for the consumer, their
investors
>>> and for them selves.
>>
>> That is, at least, partially true. I curse those who exploit common
>> resources to extract unearned economic rent.
>
> So you'd like to see America's natural resources nationalized, as in
> Chavez/Venezuela?
I am not well enough acquainted with the owner****p rules in Venezuela to
draw that association. But yes, I believe that the people of the
sovereignty have an equal right to the benefits of all _natural_
resources of the sovereignty.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, just another 100,000 jobs, investments and future plant assets
>>>>> which
>>>>> could have benefited Americans.
>>>>
>>>> How so?
>>>> Wait.... Let me get some popcorn and my seat belt.
>>>
>>> Your solution for the successful 'is' to further yoke them under
higher
>>> progressive taxes and restrict freedom to pursue happiness in America.
>>> The
>>> entrepreneur's solution is to pull up stakes and move where bidniz be
>>> welcome, given tax incentives to invest and place no yoke in the form
of
>>> redundant cor****ate taxes.
>>
>> Please answer the question I asked as opposed to trotting out another
>> platitude. You were asked why seeing the oil as being owned by all
>> Americans equally will have harmed investment and jobs.
>
> America's natural resources nationalized, as in Chavez/Venezuela?
More posturing. Answer the question, please.
> You seem to claim
>> that "100,000 jobs, investments and future plant assets which could
have
>> benefited Americans" will have been lost because the oil companies will
be
>> moving their headquarters offshore. That is hose**** but I want to see
>> you explain why you are stupid enough to believe it.
>
> Because Speaker Pelosi and Hitlery would seek windfall taxes from big
oil.
> Who needs that?
That has nothing to do with the question I asked.
> It's that economic rent/rape horse**** you talk about that threatens to
> steal profits. Is it no wonder why so many companies move to avoid
gubment
> greed?
Now we are back to the actual question: If the oil companies move their
offices to Dubai then how does that effect jobs (other than management)
here in the USA? You mentioned: "100,000 jobs, investments and future
plant assets which could have benefited Americans" will have been lost
because the oil companies will be moving their headquarters offshore. You
have been asked to describe these loses. And you fail to do so because
those loses will not occur.
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The tax system is the key to all the problems. Income tax is not
the
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> way to tax though it has many advantages when properly implemented.
>>>>>> Repatriation taxes and resource rents are much more appropriate in
a
>>>>>> global economy. But most people (and especially conservatives and
>>>>>> Republicans) are so brainwashed by the current income tax system
that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> can conceive of no other world. Hell, they can't even understand
the
>>>>>> actual rationale behind progressive income taxation.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're correct. Where you want TAKE money away from people in
>>>>> progressive
>>>>> taxes, those who are taxed the most just charge more at the pump or
in
>>>>> duh
>>>>> stoe (trickle-down economics) keeping their profit margins as they
were
>>>>> before. The unintended consequences of progressive taxes (along with
>>>>> unions
>>>>> and over regulation) on the wealthy has driven them offshore to
>>>>> countries
>>>>> who welcome them with little to no taxes or regulation. So when you
say
>>>>> "Repatriation taxes", what you really mean is "your not welcome
>>>>> here...but
>>>>> we'll let you stay if you gib me money".
>>>>
>>>> All spoken like a mantra. No real thought. No real understanding of
>>>> economics. Just an example of what I have said: No understanding of
>>>> how
>>>> progressive taxation can work rather well across the board. It is a
>>>> blunt
>>>> instrument. But when used by competent government it can be quite
>>>> effective.
>>>
>>> LOL...he said "competent government"...LOL.
>>
>> Yes. That would totally disqualify the Republican kiss my ass regime
that
>> puts an Arabian Horse Show manager in as the head of FEMA and then
>> nominates his own council for the Supreme court and then grooms yet
>> another council for the job of attorney general. Competence for Bush is
>> measured in the ability to tell him what he wants to hear and the
amount
>> of funds you can bring in to sup****t the Republican party.
>>
>>> The word, "progressive" means always moving. With Socialists the word
>>> means
>>> ones taxes will always go up, even in a recession
>>
>> I am neither a Socialist or a Progressive so I take no offense.
>>
>>> The underlying benefit is that it taxes primarily economic
>>>> rents as opposed to production. The result is more and better
>>>> productivity.
>>>
>>> Redundant taxes no doubt.
>>
>> Can you define "redundant taxes" in the current glut of deficit
>> spending created and institutionalized by the Republican party?
>
> Control spending...you know what redundant taxes are.
I agree. Quit burning money in an Iraq occupation. Iraq has never been a
threat to this nation and is no threat now.
>>
>>>>> Before you say it, American entrepreneurs have always been the best
>>>>> stewards
>>>>> of 'industrial' mother Earth. American technology has reduced carbon
>>>>> emissions 75% from 50 years ago and leads the world in conservation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Freedom comes from limiting govenment, not from feeding it other
>>>>> peoples
>>>>> money.
>>>>
>>>> A tax on economic rent is a recovery of money that is unearned and
>>>> simply appropriated from the society in the first place. It is the
>>>> recovery of stolen goods :)
>>>
>>> So you're a Communist then. One who believes society has no right to
>>> earn money. It all belongs to duh state and what benevolence the state
>>> deems we
>>> peasants deserve will be doled out as needed, right commi?
>>
>> You really are stupid. I am not anywhere near being anything like a
>> commie. The fact is that I am more of a Libertarian than you will ever
>> be. I am _NOT_ a Libertarian, but much closer than you.
>
> Good for you, now go put up a Ron Paul sign
I caucused for Ron Paul here in Wa****ngton State and I am proud to see
that Ron Paul prefers Obama over McCain as the lesser of evils. I may not
agree with EVERYTHING Ron Paul has to say or EVERYTHING that Obama has to
say, but there is damned little that McCain has to say that I agree with.
--
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of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
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