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Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)

by cary@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cary Kittrell) Jul 7, 2008 at 05:07 PM

Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 
> The_Carpathia <writingken@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >I have to
> 
> No you didn't.  You chose to.
> 
> >break my self-imposed usenet ban, 
> 
> Why are we not surprised, loser?  You are addicted to the sight of
> your words on a screen.
> 
> >after getting this story.
> 
> Misunderstanding it, you mean.
> 
> >Others charged that the melting of Arctic
> >ice shows that Global Warming was happening, though.
> >
> >Now, scientists have found volcanoes erupting under the Arctic
> >region....
> >
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374542,00.html
> >
> >...which would certainly melt Arctic ice without any connection to air
> >pollution, at all.
> 
> Actually it wouldn't, as re****ted in the story itself:
> 
> <With news this week that polar ice is melting dramatically, underwater
> < Arctic pyrotechnics might seem like a logical smoking gun.
> <
> <Scientists don't see any significant connection, however.
> <
> <"We don't believe the volcanoes had much effect on the overlying ice,"
> < Reeves-Sohn told LiveScience, "but they seem to have had a major
> < impact on the overlying water column."
> 
> What you fail to understand is that a volcano has only relatively
> local effects, except when its ejecta manage to make it to the
> stratosphere and get caught in the jet stream.
> 
> Even several volcanoes would not cause enough warming to melt any
> significant amount of ice, especially when confined to a small area:
> 
>
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080626-arctic-volcano.html
> re****ts with more detail, and says that these eruptions were in an
> area of around 5 square miles, and more than 2 1/2 miles deep.  And it
> is a slow eruption, not a Mount St Helens. (which itself didn't cause
> much effect on the weather).
> 
> Using back of the hand calculations, even a Mt St Helens eruption
> would only release enough energy to raise a 40 mile square area, 2 1/2
> miles deep, by about 1 degree.  The arctic of course is probably a
> thousand times that size.

And that's raising that amount of water one degree, not melting
that amount of ice -- which would require 80 times that amount
of enegy.

But we're quibbling: Ken's reference, as always, contains the
seeds of its own destruction.


-- cary

> 
> The newsworthiness is that it is even possible to have a volcanic
> eruption at that depth.
> 
> Turkey, you can play ostrich and stick your head in the sand, but it
> won't make global warning go away.  Nor will it make you any less a
> turkey.
> 
> lojbab
> Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
> lojbab@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
The_Carpathia <writing  2008-07-02 06:33:48 
Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
SgtMinor <Sarge@[EMAIL  2008-07-02 10:44:45 
Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
"Larry Hewitt"   2008-07-02 12:49:37 
Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
"CB" <CB@[EM  2008-07-02 22:17:24 
Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
Bob LeChevalier <lojba  2008-07-02 13:03:30 
Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
cary@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-07 17:07:56 
Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
The_Carpathia <writing  2008-07-06 05:08:19 
Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
"Larry Hewitt"   2008-07-06 13:21:37 
Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
"CB" <CB@[EM  2008-07-07 09:57:48 
Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
"Larry Hewitt"   2008-07-07 11:44:01 
Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
cary@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-07 16:56:04 
Re: Volcanoes Melting Arctic Ice (not Global Warming)
cary@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-07 16:33:58 

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