Re: Immigration talks rouse hate

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> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:45:21 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>On Mar 4, 12:53 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> > "MasterChief" <1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> >> Immigration talks rouse hate
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>>> >> WA****NGTON (AP) - A national Hispanic advocacy organization said
>>> >> Thursday
>>> >> it is fighting back against what it considers to be "hate speech" 
>>> >> that
>>> >> has emerged from the debate over immigration.
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>>> Do not be swayed by any argument these people bring to the table UNTIL
>>> they
>>> recognize that the debate is about ILLEGAL immigration.
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>>Do you sup****t increasing the number of legal immigrants, so that
>>these folks don't have to come here illegally?
>>
>>Josh Rosenbluth
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>><JS>
>>I'm not sure we can ever raise the quotas high enough so all immigrants 
>>that
>>want to come can come legally. Clearly there are people that know what 
>>(how
>>many) we can absorb, for more than I would ever know.
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>>That is certainly one facet of the problem though.
>>
>>I like, in general terms -- the devil is in the details -- the guest 
>>worker
>>program that Bush has talked about. If a worker went home and applied
for 
>>a
>>guest worker visa, obtained one, and returned, then I'd be perfectly
okay
>>with it. I don't think an illegal immigrant that is already here should
be
>>getting a guest worker visa while he is actively breaking our laws, but
if
>>he (or she) went home and applied, I see no reason for a denial of the
>>application other than purely numbers. But, any denial of a guest worker
>>visa is going to mean an illegal border crossing unless we (America)
takes
>>firm steps to deny any and all public services to people are here 
>>illegally.
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> Dry up the benefit to criminal behavior is all we need to do.  Make it a
> real criminal offense to knowingly hire a non citizen, and deny all but
> the most basic emergency services to non citizens and they go home.
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>>We have many "magnet" programs that attract illegal immigrants, and we
>>absolutely must remove those magnets. One magnet is the automatic
>>citizen****p granted to children that have the good fortune to be born on
>>this side of the border. If the MOTHER is an illegal immigrant, then the
>>baby should not be granted automatic citizen****p, and should become a
>>citizen of the country where the mother is from. It is not our problem
to
>>decide citizen****p of anybody, except we should decide that they are or 
>>are
>>not citizens of the USA. If _not_ a US citizen, it is not our problem to
>>assign citizen****p. Send the mother to her home country with her baby in
>>tow, and let her deal with it.
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>></JS>
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> Why is it that some people think it's some how immoral for Americans to
> choose who they allow to become citizens?  It's as though they think
> America doesn't belong to us, and that the rest of the world should be
> able to dictate to us who comes to America.  This anchor baby thing is
> all wrong.  A mother breaking our laws to enter our country should not
> be given anything more than a bus ride to her home country and the baby
> should stay with it's mother.  No more anchor babies.  It's just another
> benefit to breaking our immigration laws that needs to go.


You do understand the whole anchor baby issue, right?

We have a Constitutional Amendment that says anybody born here is a
citizen. 
The amendment was written to cover slave babies -- slaves were brought in 
and put to work, and ultimately had babies. Those women and children were 
not considered citizens until the amendment came along.

Now, a citizen from a neighboring country can come in and have a baby, and

that baby becomes here anchor. We have to amend the Constitution to break 
the anchor chain. I think we should look at such an amendment ...