Re: Immigration talks rouse hate

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:10:02 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Mar 4, 7:45 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Mar 4, 12:53 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > >> Immigration talks rouse hate
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>> > >> WA****NGTON (AP) - A national Hispanic advocacy organization said
>> > >> Thursday
>> > >> it is fighting back against what it considers to be "hate speech" 
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>> > >> has emerged from the debate over immigration.
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>> > Do not be swayed by any argument these people bring to the table
UNTIL
>> > they
>> > recognize that the debate is about ILLEGAL immigration.
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>> Do you sup****t increasing the number of legal immigrants, so that
>> these folks don't have to come here illegally?
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>> <JS>
>> I'm not sure we can ever raise the quotas high enough so all immigrants

>> that
>> want to come can come legally. Clearly there are people that know what 
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>> many) we can absorb, for more than I would ever know.
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>Congress sets the quotas, not so-called "officials" as you referred to
>them in another post.  Legal immigration is a political issue.
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>> That is certainly one facet of the problem though.
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>> I like, in general terms -- the devil is in the details -- the guest 
>> worker
>> program that Bush has talked about. If a worker went home and applied
for 
>> a
>> guest worker visa, obtained one, and returned, then I'd be perfectly
okay
>> with it.
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>It sounds like you do sup****t increasing the number of legal
>immigrants we allow in from Mexico.
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><JS>
>I sup****t what it takes to make Mexicans apply for legal immigrant status

>before they pack the grocery bag and head north.
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>If we can take in the immigrants -- and it appears we can because there
are 
>12M of them here already -- then we need to put a policy in place that
makes 
>it possible to get legal status before they leave home and come here.
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>I flatly refuse granting amnesty for illegal immigrants that are here.
But, 
>if whomever makes the quotas (I do not think it is Congress, but I accept

>they have to approve any change to the quotas) adjusts them so that
people 
>wanting to come can get permission in a couple of years instead of the 
>protracted process that's in place today, then I'm all for it. The issue 
>first and foremost is the illegal status. We have to 1.) make it easier
to 
>come here legally, and 2.) remove the magnets that make it desirable to
come 
>here illegally. Once we get the status issue squared away, we can move on
to 
>the security issues. Indeed, we can resolve the security and the legality
on 
>parallel tracks, there is no reason to do one ahead of the other. They
are 
>different and distinct issues, and each demands a different solution, but

>both can be solved at the same time. It would be a mistake address one
and 
>ignore the other.
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></JS>
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Unfortunatly it is their illegal status that makes them so desirable to
those
who would use them for very cheap labor.  Take away the employers ability
to
hire illegal aliens and we will not only not need all of those immigrants
but
the average American's wages will increase.  We will be better off.
I disagree.  We need to secure the border more than anything else. We need
to all be forced to obey the laws.  We need to stop giving free services
to
people who do not pay taxes here.  We don't need to do anything about the
illegal imigration issue if we do the other things we need to do.  If we
do
what we need to do, the illegal aliens will go home on their own and no
new
illegal aliens will be coming here anymore.  It's that ****ing simple
people.
What about this are you so confused about?  Arizona is showing us all how
to do this and the illegal alien problem there is moving to Texas and
elsewhere
where you other people have this confused state of mind as to what needs
to
be done.  Stop listening to the amnesty idiots. They all have either
purely
selfish interests in keeping this slave labor situation in effect or they
want
to make cousin it who crossed into America illegally a citizen. Both
groups
could care less about America or the hard working men and women who built
it.