Re: Immigration talks rouse hate

On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:48:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>Increase the quota a reasonable amount, and remove the magnets.
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>> Remove the magnets and the illegal aliens. We don't need to allow any
more
>> legal immigrants than are absolutely needed. Employers can just start
>> using legal citizens instead of the cheap labor illegal aliens.  There
>> are plenty of Americans that will work for decent wages and conditons.
>> Both of you are now arguing for the same thing.  You both want to
increase
>> immigration from Mexico.  That's what this entire thread has been
about.
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>What you are saying it true to a point, but I'd like to point out that
until 
>the past few weeks, we have had an unemployment rate of less than 5% --
and 
>this is considered Full Employment by the people whos job it is to keep 
>track of this sort of thing. If we have full employment and still find a 
>place for 12 million workers that are not supposed to be available to the

>workforce and they are working too, then there is a significant problem
if 
>these 12 million are suddenly missing.
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>I agree that we don't want any more legal immigrants that is absolutely 
>necessary, but what I am saying is that we need more than we get legally 
>under the current quotas. I'm all in favor of caps on immigration, I just

>think the caps are a bit too tight.
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>Ironically, I think you and I are making are making a similar argument,
not 
>Josh and I. I am not an open border guy, but I accept that we need a
certain 
>number of immigrants coming in legally, and now that number is set too
low.
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>Having just said that, I also just finished reading the paper and I see
that 
>63,000 more jobs have been shed, so the unemployment rate is rising above

>5% -- and has already gone well above that in some regions of the country
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>and this changes the quotas lower, meaning a tightening of the numbers of

>legal immiorants we can absorb.
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If it turns out that we cannot supply enough Americans to fill the jobs
then perhaps the wages being offered for those jobs need to be raised,
and the working conditions improved. These illegal aliens are being
used in a horror of low wages, no benefits, and terrible conditions.
I want that to stop now. I want all people living in America to have
a decent life.  The illegals are being used to lower standards here in
America. Pro amnesty advocates like Josh could care less if working
conditions and wages are lowered for every laboror because of the
increase of illegal or legal immigrants.