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Re: Immigration talks rouse hate

by "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 8, 2008 at 06:36 PM

"ZeD" <zed@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:d9l5t3l6ituvl9lj17vj64q81amo3l7h85@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
> If it turns out that we cannot supply enough Americans to fill the jobs
> then perhaps the wages being offered for those jobs need to be raised,
> and the working conditions improved. These illegal aliens are being
> used in a horror of low wages, no benefits, and terrible conditions.
> I want that to stop now. I want all people living in America to have
> a decent life.  The illegals are being used to lower standards here in
> America. Pro amnesty advocates like Josh could care less if working
> conditions and wages are lowered for every laboror because of the
> increase of illegal or legal immigrants.


But ZeD, it isn't that simple.

If we have full employment (and there is no question that until the last 6

months or so, we did) and there are 12 million workers taking jobs that 
should not even be in America, then there are not enough Americans to fill

the jobs at any wage. If we had high unemployment AND 12 million Mexicans 
depressing wages, then what you say would be true. But we have very low 
unemployment and 12 million Mexicans taking jobs where there is nobody
else 
that can take them.

I get the argument that Mexicans take crappy jobs, or get crappy jobs 
because that is all they can get. But every American has a job that wants 
one, and there are still 12 million more jobs to be filled. The crappy
jobs 
are always the last to be filled, that's why the illegals have them.

I just want any immigrant in this country to be a legal immigrant. If he 
gets a good job, then that is icing on the cake.
 




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Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jim E" <YD6  2008-03-03 20:43:05 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-04 07:33:58 
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"acmeinc" <x  2008-03-04 14:57:47 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-04 10:52:54 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-04 21:05:54 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Governor Swill <govern  2008-03-04 13:20:08 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-04 21:26:03 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Governor Swill <govern  2008-03-05 04:20:41 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 16:24:44 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 08:50:33 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 17:00:55 
Zed partially educated in "differences".........
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 17:47:51 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-06 03:17:10 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 08:28:50 
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"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-04 17:53:03 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-04 21:11:05 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-04 21:22:11 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 00:26:44 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 08:44:50 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 16:44:26 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 17:36:24 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-06 03:20:47 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-06 15:47:19 
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Governor Swill <govern  2008-03-06 13:45:56 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 14:23:09 
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Governor Swill <govern  2008-03-06 13:43:49 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 17:32:38 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-05 01:00:16 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 04:31:18 
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"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-05 15:25:27 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 16:28:41 
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"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-05 16:40:16 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 17:35:02 
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"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-05 23:57:44 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-06 00:27:33 
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"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-06 00:59:53 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-06 03:39:25 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-06 23:41:45 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 19:36:06 
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"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-07 02:55:18 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-07 08:50:30 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 08:48:11 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-05 16:43:42 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 17:35:46 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 16:56:59 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 08:43:27 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 16:40:45 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-05 00:45:21 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 04:22:45 
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"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-05 15:32:27 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 16:36:23 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-05 16:50:40 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 17:37:33 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 21:10:13 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-06 00:10:02 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-06 00:42:00 
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"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-06 00:49:11 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 08:35:14 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-06 15:48:29 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-07 00:14:59 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-07 00:17:54 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-07 02:22:27 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-07 02:56:34 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-07 08:47:56 
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Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-03-06 19:19:09 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-07 02:27:29 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-03-06 21:54:09 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-07 16:36:27 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-07 17:44:59 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 00:15:16 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-03-07 19:24:18 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 01:08:41 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-03-07 20:23:48 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 03:08:04 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-03-07 22:24:47 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 04:19:05 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-03-07 23:30:02 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 05:09:32 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 16:50:06 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 17:06:15 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 17:48:01 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 18:13:22 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 18:36:48 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 12:57:42 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Baron Scarpia"  2008-03-08 20:22:48 
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"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 20:41:56 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-09 07:34:13 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 23:06:52 
"Yup, a bleeding heart pile of shit"---ZED Speaks for Baron, Jef
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-09 07:36:06 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-09 07:29:05 
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"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 16:40:18 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 16:44:28 
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ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 16:56:58 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 18:02:19 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-03-08 13:05:14 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 12:50:19 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-03-08 12:21:27 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 17:38:45 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 18:21:58 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 12:51:42 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 12:49:46 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 20:45:04 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 23:08:10 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate and ZEDLED hate of truth
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-09 07:26:54 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-09 07:25:39 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 09:22:07 
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Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 09:19:06 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 16:53:30 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate and Stupid responses like JEFFY
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 12:44:27 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate and Stupid responses like JEFFY
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 20:50:31 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate and Stupid responses like JEFFY
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 23:17:18 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate and Stupid responses like JEFFY
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-09 07:20:08 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate and Stupid responses like JEFFY
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-09 04:06:12 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate and Stupid responses like JEFFY
Governor Swill <govern  2008-03-09 04:14:11 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate and Stupid responses like JEFFY
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-09 07:23:30 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate and Stupid responses like JEFFY
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-09 07:19:18 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 13:07:26 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 01:27:35 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-03-07 20:58:05 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 03:55:56 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-03-07 23:22:41 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 04:56:50 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Josh Rosenbluth <jrose  2008-03-08 09:36:46 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 16:42:46 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 09:23:38 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 00:46:37 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 09:15:31 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 19:41:29 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-07 02:21:52 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 19:38:26 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-07 02:59:00 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-07 08:52:04 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-07 16:43:32 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Governor Swill <govern  2008-03-05 04:21:53 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 16:25:40 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 08:42:18 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 16:38:00 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-05 16:54:09 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-05 17:39:22 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"MasterChief" &  2008-03-07 18:55:56 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Baron Scarpia"  2008-03-08 03:55:36 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 04:10:02 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 09:24:47 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Baron Scarpia"  2008-03-08 17:54:52 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 18:24:55 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 12:48:00 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-03-08 18:40:58 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 13:12:26 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 12:47:03 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
"Baron Scarpia"  2008-03-08 20:27:14 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-09 07:36:40 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
Nicklas@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-08 09:11:55 
Re: Immigration talks rouse hate
ZeD <zed@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-08 04:28:43 

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