Re: GUNS for PROTECTION? SAFETY? SCALIA'S "Rationale" is LAUGHABLE!

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> >> > Not all that simple. Do you really want all those drug users on the
> >> > street?
> >>
> >> Sure. Why not? I don't give a damn if some idiot wants to smoke a
joint
> >> in
> >> his living room.
> >> Why should you?
> >
> > Because after he smokes that joint, he may get in his car and run down
a
> > kid....
>
> And we have laws that deal with driving under the influence, and it
doesn't
> matter the influence of what. I've heard of cases where the person was
> convicted due to legal medication.

And that may be but allowing someone to go drive a school bus full of kids
high is now infringing on those kids rights, to live...


>
> > Because that joint makes him lethargic, and not productive the next
few
> > days...
>
> Sorry, but I don't believe that they have that long a period of impact.
Do
> you have some sup****t for this claim?

Many medical journals....

>
> Further, wouldn't that be between the person and their employer?

Lethargic affects more than job...
For example, the guy building the new house....that I payed for, now goes
on
2 extra months...cause he got high.
Road construction, done wrong cause the high guy took a short cut, cause
he
was high, and the road collapses...

It affects others, whether you are to blind to see or not...

>
> >because that joint, statistically, will lead to harder drugs...
>
> <yawn>
>
> Puni****ng someone because of what they might do in the future is a
rather
> pointless exercise subject to all kinds of abuse.

while generally true, the same could be said on why do we lock up kids who
kill cats, birds and dogs...
We do it cause they are most LIKELY to move on to people....

>
> > Or that crack that he smokes..how long before he is stealing from the
> > neighbors???
>
> If the crack is legal, why would be need to steal anything?

Cause he won't be working while smoking crack and needs money for
more...legal or not....

> >> >What non-violent offenses?
> >>
> >> Shoplifting, writting bad checks, even minor burglary.
> >
> > Shoplifting isn't minor.  I have seen shop lifters attempt to steal
10K
in
> > merchandise...thats High level...
>
> It's still relatively minor in comparison to violent crimes. However, I
am
> certainly willing to consider major shoplifting as less desirable to
> release. Of course, wearing that tag that sets of every stores alarms
until
> they finish their parole would probably help some.

**** you that 10K crash and grabs are minor...I guess someone cra****ng a
van
thru your door is OK to steal from you...

>
>
>
> > Bad checks to...Why should someone not pay for what they are supposed
to
> > pay
> > for?
>
> How does jail make them pay the money they owe?

Usually they do the time for the crime and then pay restitution when they
get out...
The point is it is a CRIME and needs to be punished.

>
>
> > Nothing about burglary is minor.  It is violent by nature to BREAK
INTO
> > someone elses home...
>
> Sorry, but unless someone is present then by definition it isn't a
violent
> crime. Indeed most burgulars go out of their way to avoid confrontation.

Using force to enter is violence...Violence is not defined as using force
against a person...

> >> > Are you saying we should abolish
> >> > all laws for non-violent crimes?
> >>
> >> For some of them, I think we should. For others, we can impose
> >> alternative punishments.

The libs tried that for years and it still doesn't work, and never
will....

> >
> > I say stocks like the old days....
> > Right in front of the court house....
>
> Yea, I doubt you would get through the first day before that was
challenged
> in court and injunction imposed to halt the execution of the sentence.

Already happens...
Shoplifters wear signs in front of the stores they shoplift from...