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Re: True Progressives vote Nader. At least, he IS ...

by yaakuku@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 3, 2008 at 12:22 PM

On Jul 1, 6:27=A0pm, JSM <ekrub...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Jul 1, 2:04 pm, PissingOffTheL...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > True Progressives will vote for RalphNader. =A0At least, he IS a white
> > man. =A0Well, he seems to be a white man. =A0He is an Arab-American. =
=A0So,
> > all you experts, is an Arab-American man a white man?
>
>
>http://www.opednews.com/articles/Primary-Season-Over--Barac-by-Dave-L...
>
> > June 28, 2008 at 08:36:21
>
> > Headlined on 6/28/08:
> > Primary Season Over, Barack Channels Hillary
>
> > by Dave Lindorffhttp://www.opednews.com
>
> > Now that the primary season is over, we can see that the clear winner
> > was Hillary Clinton.
>
> > Oh, I know. BarackObamagot the most votes and the most delegates,
> > and he=92ll be the Democratic presidential nominee this August, but
> > increasingly, it=92s becoming obvious that he=92s just a pretty
wrapper=
..
> > Sneak a peak inside the wrapper and you=92ll find Hillary Clinton
> > inside.
>
> > Look at the facts.
>
> > No sooner did the last votes get counted in Montana, thanObamahied
> > himself off to Wa****ngton to show his fealty to the America Israel
> > Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), where he promised to do whatever
> > Israel wanted. You would have thought he was Bush or Hillary, so
> > fulsome was his promise to unquestioningly back the worst policies and
> > actions of Israel=92s criminally insane right-wing government. Claim
al=
l
> > of Jerusalem for the Jewish state? Fine by him. Starve and terrorize a
> > million people in Gaza? No problemo. Attack Iran to prevent a merely
> > suspected nuclear program from eventually producing a possible bomb?
> > Okay. Negotiate with Hamas? Never.
>
> > Then there was the FISA and Fourth Amendment-violating campaign of
> > spying by the National Security Agency. Some members of Congress and
> > the courts have been trying for years to find out what Bush and Cheney
> > have really been up to with this program, but they=92ve been stymied
by
> > the administration=92s insistence that the phone companies, who
enabled
> > most of the spying, are immune from prosecution and don=92t have to
> > surrender records of, or talk about what they actually did. Congress,
> > with the help of a spineless Democratic majority in both houses, came
> > up in June with a bill that endorses the spying and gives retroactive
> > immunity to the phone companies. 15 Senators=97all Democrats-- opposed
> > that wretched sell-out of the Constitution and the American people.
> > Sen.Obamasup****ted it, just like Clinton.
>
> > When the Supreme Court, in a rare exception to a rash of reactionary
> > rulings in the past few weeks, overturned a state law authorizing the
> > death penalty for the rape of a child,Obamastood up for the death
> > penalty, saying that he thought states should have the right to kill
> > anyone who would ***ually abuse a child. I guess he must think the
> > states should be able to kill people convicted of killing someone too,
> > since murder has to be at least as nasty as child rape. Another
> > Clinton position. Never mind that most of the people who get the death
> > penalty are persons of color, and that almost all the 4000 people on
> > America=92s bulging death rows are either poor, desperately poor,
> > retarded or simply insane. Never mind that rape is one of the most
> > likely crimes to lead to wrongful convictions.
>
> > Barack was out there dissing black dads, too, charging them, as a
> > class, with abandonment of their children, even though studies show
> > that black fathers are no less likely to abandon their kids than are
> > white dads. Okay, that=92s not really a Hillary position. It=92s more
a=
kin
> > to Bill Clinton=92s attacks on prominent blacks like Jesse Jackson or
> > Sister Soulja during his campaigns for higher office.
>
> > It=92s getting harder and harder to see any light betweenObama=92s and
> > Hillary=92s positions on the Iraq War too, what withObamabacking away
> > from his earlier campaign pledge to end the war within 16 months of
> > taking office and saying instead that he would =93listen to the
> > generals=94 and that withdrawal would depend upon the situation on the
> > ground.
>
> > Finally,Obama, after showing a remarkable ability to inspire tons of
> > small donations and sup****t from individuals, and to fund a huge
> > national campaign without much in the way of cor****ate sup****t, is
> > greedily slurping from Hillary=92s cesspool of cor****ate backers, now
> > that she=92s out of the way. Soon, he=92ll be wallowing in tainted
cash
> > from Wall Street commercial and investment banks and hedge funds,
> > telecom companies, defense contractors, Big Pharma companies, the HMO
> > industry, and the entertainment industry. He=92ll be owned like just
> > about every other politician in Wa****ngton.
>
> > The transmogrification of an upstart people=92s candidate for
=93change=
=94
> > into just another front man for the cor****atocracy will be complete.
>
> > Hillary will have won, but in the cor****al form of BarackObama.
>
> > The joke, of course, is that this evocation byObamaof his inner
> > Clinton is not going to win him many votes, and may in fact lose him
> > far more than he gains. Being Clinton, after all, didn=92t win it for
> > Hillary Clinton. It wasObama=92s differences from Clinton that won him
> > the primary votes.
>
> > Clintonian positions didn=92t really win the presidency for Bill
Clinto=
n
> > either. It was Ross P***** who won the 1992 election for Clinton, by
> > stealing enough votes from George Bush Sr. to let Clinton win with a
> > mere plurality of the votes cast. There won=92t be any Ross P***** this
> > year, though, soObamacan=92t hope to squeak by with a minority of the
> > votes cast the way Bill did. In fact there will be at least two
> > candidates=97a Green Party one and RalphNader--who will be picking off
> > some of the peopleObama=92s imitation of Clinton will turn off
> > sufficiently for them to abandon him. There will also be a Libertarian
> > candidate running, whose outspoken opposition to the war will attract
> > disillusioned erstwhileObamabackers. Many more voters may just stay
> > home in disgust. (It was also Al Gore's decision to run a Clintonesque
> > campaign of triangulation and pursuit of those elusive "mainstream"
> > voters that made his run against Bush in 2000 close enough for the
> > election to be stolen.)
>
> > Meanwhile, those Hillary primary votersObamaseems intent on pursuing
> > at the expense of the progressive vote=97the pro-Israel hawks in New
> > York and Florida, the =93hard-working whites=94 of the West Virginia
> > hollers, the Pennsylvania hills and the flatlands of Ohio and Indiana=
=97
> > aren=92t going to vote for him just because he adopts Hillary=92s
> > positions. They=92ll want the real deal, not just a front man posing
as
> > a front woman, so they=92ll go for John McCain (just as they would
have
> > in November had Hillary won the nomination).
>
> > You gotta ask why a guy who had it all going for him is suddenly
> > making such incredibly bad strategic decisions.

Obama originally didn't want to run. No one knows how he got in. Yet.

> Nader got his start with a lie. =A0

And Obama didn't ??

> No wonder he is running for
> president, he has the right character.

So did McCain.

Nader doesn't carry around the Rev Wright cloud.
 




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True Progressives will vote for Ralph Nader. At least, he IS a
PissingOffTheLeft@[EMAIL   2008-07-01 14:04:50 
Re: True Progressives will vote for Ralph Nader. At least, he IS
JSM <ekrubmeg@[EMAIL P  2008-07-01 15:27:42 
Re: True Progressives vote Nader. At least, he IS ...
yaakuku@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-03 12:22:14 

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