Re: Expensive oil is the only way to stop gluttony

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> On Jul 20, 11:15 am, The Observer <somewhere@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> hot-ham-and-che...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > On Jul 19, 3:23 pm, Blubbering McCain <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>In article 
>> >><cb5cbb3c-4902-4644-a2b2-8aa4c9178...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>enough_alre...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>>Instead of whining and demanding that a finite resource "must"
sup****t
>> >>>endless population growth, intelligent people should welcome rising
>> >>>oil prices. Price is the only thing that gets the average taker to
>> >>>conserve, which is what we should have been doing all along.
>>
>> >>>Don't be fooled by the recent price drop; most likely a futures
market
>> >>>phenomenon. People need much longer attention spans. Peak Oil is a
>> >>>matter of when, not if.
>>
>> >>>As predicted, more Americans are leaning toward drilling and mining
>> >>>our way out of this, but a quick run through the numbers reveals
their
>> >>>delusion. Divide any new "large" reserves by 7.6 billion barrels
>> >>>(current annual U.S. consumption) to see how long they'd last us.
>>
>> >>>The entire world is using about 32 billion barrels each year. Also
>> >>>consider that oil will keep getting more costly as the cheap stuff
is
>> >>>depleted (Peak Oil).
>>
>> >>>There is no mandate to burn every feasible drop of oil (drilled or
>> >>>mined, e.g. tar and shale) before moving to sustainable sources.
Wise
>> >>>people would stretch oil as long as possible, not use it to move a
>> >>>bunch of bloated ego-tanks around the suburbs. But there is still no
>> >>>guarantee that alternate sources can match the scale of oil use.
>>
>> >>>So, stop complaining and start conserving, especially if you call
>> >>>yourself a "conservative." It's time to conserve something other
than
>> >>>avarice and false pride. Conservation is a sign of long-overdue
common
>> >>>sense, not economic failure.
>>
>> >>>E.A.
>>
>> >>>http://enough_already.tripod.com/
>>
>> >>>Genesis 1:28 update: Go forth and overpopulate and pillage the
Earth,
>> >>>and call it economic growth.
>>
>> >>Let's tax oil if it drops below $120. That way, the price we pay
>> >>will always be at least $120 and OPEC won't be able to put
>> >>alternative energy companies out of business at their whim. It's
>> >>a matter of national security.- Hide quoted text -
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>> >>- Show quoted text -
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>> > The Eurpoeans have had a punitive sin tax on oil since WWII. And they
>> > have viable public trans****tation. We do not.
>>
>> > I looked into battery car kits. The lowest model conversion (48V)
>> > sells for about $2,200 without batteries or the mounting hardware for
>> > batteries. It will go between 30 and 40mph, and a range of 20 to 30
>> > miles. That should be just about enough speed to piss off every
>> > commuter between here and work, and be sure to have a white t-****rt
to
>> > hang out the window when it runs out of juice on the way home. Wear
>> > comfortable walking shoes.
>>
>> > Car choices are Ford Fiesta, Geo Metro, or VW Rabbit.
>>
>> What about the permit to have a large quantity of sulfuric acid and
>> deadly lead in your possession. Not to mention how are you going to
>> dispose of all that deadly stuff when the batteries go bad.
>>
>> If you are not using lead acid batteries have you check the prices of
>> the Nickel cadmium batteries?? Oh wait the cadmium has even a greater
>> environmental problem than lead...
>>
>> In any case you have four choices for batteries
>>
>> Lead acid
>> Nickel hydride family (Ni-CD, Ni-MH)
>> Lithium ion
>> Sodium nickel chloride.
>>
>> Of the four choices only the lead Acid and the Nickel hydride are
>> economically feasible. and the Nickel hydride family has it own unique
>> problems that will require a rather intensive maintenance schedule, and
>> a periodic replacement cycle of a year or so rather than the 5 years we
>> now have with lead acid.
>>
>> The other two choices will run you big bucks, and are not economically
>> feasible for the average Joe working for a living.
>
> Lead acid batteries are not sent to the dump.  They are recycled.
>
> I wonder what the "hybrid" drivers are going to say when they get to
> their 60,000 mile maintenance and all those batteries have to be
> changed out... "boy, these "economy" cars sure are expensive..."


Gasoline may be more expensive...we'll see......