On 26 Jul 2008 02:37:03 GMT,
Ray Fischer -- CRIMINAL-coddler <rfischer@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Chilton proves he's a liar
No... but you just AGAIN proved to everyone that YOU are.
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Help Make the USA Bigotry-FREE! wrote:
>> Ray Fischer -- CRIMINAL-coddler <rfischer@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>> There have been NO *fact-based* refutations of ANY of the
>>>>>> points I have made.
>>>>> An outright lie.
>>>> Wrong.
>>> Cite the paragraph of US law that says that all "illegal"
immigrants
>>> are criminals.
>> The law is as CLEAR AS CRYSTAL, and calls for BOTH criminal AND
>> civil penalties:
> The following section clearly shows chilton to be a liar since the
> section quoted refers to CIVIL penalties.
LOL!!!! "Refers" to civilil penalties... ALONG with CRIMINAL ones.
>
> "shall be subject to a CIVIL PENALTY"
See below. In your most receent post, you claimed, " That does not
apply to all illegal aliens. BUT -- it DOES! Take NOTE of the word.
"or," at the end of (a)(1) and (a)(2), below... before the criminal
PENALTIES are listed after the third way to break the law, in (a)(3).
And -- the Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona, KNOWS that they
are CRIMINALS, and he CALLS them criminals. And he knows the law
one hell of a LOT better that you EVER are likely to.
http://www.squidoo.com/JoeArpaio
>> = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>> TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II > Part VIII > § 1325
>>
>> Improper entry by alien
>>
>> (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
>> misrepresentation and concealment of facts.
>>
>> Any alien who
>>
>> (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or
place
>> other than as designated by immigration officers, or
>>
>> (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
>>
>> (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a
>> willfully false or misleading representation or the willful
>> concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission
>> of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not
>> more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission
>> of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned
not
>> more than 2 years, or both.
>>
>> (b) Improper time or place; civil penalties.
>>
>> Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter)
>> the United States at a time or place other than as designated by
immigra-
>> tion officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
> "CIVIL PENALTY"
See below for the reference to the CRIMINAL ones that were outlined
and made clear in (a) (3), above. (b) specifies the CIVIL ones.
>> (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
>> attempted entry); or
>>
>> (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an
>> alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty
under
>> this subsection.
And THIS makes it clear that BOTH criminal AND civil penalties can be
imposed:
>> Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in
>> lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
>>
>> = = = = = = = = = = = = =
In response to the PACK OF LIES you presented NEXT, you have
already been totally REFUTED on every single point. (Something that
YOU have never had the guts or intelligence to accomplish with ANY of
the points that *I* have made on this issue.)
But Since you are masochistic enough to want everyone cee you
being turned once AGAIN into quivering mincemeat, those refutations
are provided below:
> Here are some "fact-based" statements about Chilton that have
> not been refuted.
As usual, your statements about the points I've been making
on this topic are DEVOID of facts, and comprise a pack of LIES. Par
for the course for you. And I'm about to make quivering mincemeat
of ALL of those lies, below. (You really LOVE to make a public FOOL
of yourself, don't you, Ray?)
>1) Chilton is insanely bigoted against immigrants.
Wrong, and a very BLATANT lie. (That's Ray's stock-in-trade,
folks, as I'm sure you all know well by now.) With the exception of
native Americans (Indians), ALL Americans either are immigrants or
are descendents of immigrants. "Immigrants" came here LEGALLY.
And ILLEGAL ALIENS (*not* "immigrants") either SNEAKED into the
country, becoming criminals at that instant, or overstayed visas,
becoming criminals at THAT point.
It's time for ALL of the ILLEGAL-alien criminals to go back home
again. The Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona, is getting them
DE****TED in droves, and GOOD for him!
See: http://www.squidoo.com/JoeArpaio
But I think that MY plan is far BETTER, and would BOTH get the
ILLEGAL back home again... almost ALL of them... *without* the
need for either prosecution, de****tation, asinine walls that won't
work and would cost billions, or additional border officers. That is
detailed in the SIG.
>2) Chilton hates the Constitution and wants to discard keep
> protections in order to persecute immigrants.
Another absurd LIE. First of all, we're NOT talking about
"immigrants." We're talking about CRIMINALS. And I seek to give
them all an EASY way to go home again, without even facing prose-
cutions or de****tations. That's the OPPOSITE of persecution.
Secondly, I, just like most other SENSIBLE people, recognize
that the Constitiution is a LIVING do***ent, and not the DEAD one
that Ray wishes it were. And has been interpreted routinely by
the U.S. Supreme Court for almost as long as the USA has been
a country. (1804: Marbury vs. Madison)
>3) Chilton wants to see thousands of people die.
NO one would die, unless from other causes that would have
claimed them anyway, whether they stayed or left. (Another very
STUPID lie by Ray.)
>4) Chilton is, by his own words, a criminal.
Wrong again. A speeding ticket doesn't make a person a
criminal. But becoming an ILLEGAL alien DOES. As the above-
mentioned Sheriff has made VERY clear, in just those words, on
CNN and in print. (And in his position, he knows one HELL of a
lot MORE about the law than you probably EVER will, Ray.
>5) Chilton is an insane liar who cannot accept the facts about
> immigration laws even when they stare him in the face.
Another blatant lie. Since I have PRESENTED those laws to
you before, and you are too DISHONEST to acknowledge that
they DO provide for CRIMINAL penalties of imprisonment and
fines.
But under the law that *I* propose, they would NOT be
subjected to that, as the SIG below makes very clear.
Thanks for coming out to play jacks on the freeway, Ray.
You just got the expected outcome for doing that.
-- Craig Chilton
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FACTS about ILLEGAL Aliens
(1) ILLEGAL aliens did not belong here in the FIRST place.
(2) Federal laws prohibit undo***ented entry into the USA.
(3) Federal laws STRICTLY prohibit WORKING in the USA without
proper and legal do***entation (such as a Green Card.)
(4) Every ILLEGAL alien is a CRIMINAL by default, for entering
illegally, and even MORE of one if WORKING here.
(5) Throughout our history, tens of millions of people have
worked HARD to EARN residency and citizen****p here.
(a) CRIMINALS should NEVER be *rewarded* for being
criminals.
(b) According LEGAL status to ILLEGAL, criminal aliens
without their INSTEAD applying for it through proper
channels and EARNING it would be a massive **insult**
to the millions who did it the RIGHT and LEGAL way.
(6) Urge your Congressperson to SUP****T H.R. 1940.
More information:
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
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