Re: DEMOCRATS AGAIN PREVENTING AMERICA FROM DRILLING FOR OIL!!

On Jun 27, 3:33 pm, "Bob Eld" <nsmontas...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Oh geez.  We're facing an energy crisis that requires innovation and
> > efficiency to get through and you suggest we solve the problem with
> > socialism and government intervention, a guaranteed destroyer of
> > innovation and efficiency.  Sounds like a brilliant plan. *roll eyes*
>
> Absolutely, that's the way im****tant, extensive and costly things get
done.
> That's the way we went to the moon, developed the atomic bomb, built the
> interstate highway system. Built the locks and dams on the rivers, built
the
> canals and water systems on and on. Major projects require government
> intervention if they are to be accomplished.

Government headed up those projects, but to a large extent private
contractors did the actual work.

> Private industry will not do
> them unless there is a clear short term profit.

Private industry was involved in most of those projects.

> In the case of energy
> development, private industry would take thirty years to do what can be
done
> in ten with funding and direction. If we had waited for industry we
NEVER
> would have gone to the moon. If here is little profit in it so they
won't do
> it on their own.

Oil companies have been successful at locating and producing oil for
decades.  They have consistently advanced the technology to produce
deeper and more remote finds. They have a way better track record than
nationalized companies.  Why would you want to let the government
screw it up?
>
> Nobody is talking about socialism or nationalization, that your words.
> Industry has a role to play, of course, but under contract to accomplish
> specific tasks. They should not run "open loop" on im****tant functions
like
> the nations energy policy.

If the government wants to head up some sort of alternative energy
initiative like the manhattan project, thats one thing.  This thread
was about drilling oil, which private industry has been doing fine
with.  They just need the government to open up promising areas.

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> I come back to the fact the oil in the ground belongs to ALL of us,

And the government *sells* the mineral rights to the companies, so
your are getting your share via the government.  Also I read somewhere
that Exxon has paid four times more in taxes than it has maid in
profit over its history.  This demonizing of oil companies is a bunch
of left-wing nonsense.

> not to
> Exxon and that Exxon-Mobil is monopoly basically a re-put-together of
the
> original Standard Oil broken up in 1912. They control everything from
the
> ground through refining to final marketing and collude with OPEC to set
> prices which is a true monopoly. Just giving them more of the pie is NOT
the
> answer.

There is absolutely no indication that Exxon colludes with OPEC.
That's utter nonsense.
>
> You can roll your eyes if you want but if you want a Grand Coulee Dam,
> government has to be involved.

We already have the Grand Coulee Dam.  What we need is more oil. So
the government needs to open up areas where the oil is located and let
the Exxons and Chevrons do their thing.