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Re: Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"

by Harold Burton <hal.i.burton@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 16, 2008 at 08:58 PM

In article <W6ydnb-0XfFavbPVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 "Steven L." <sdlitvin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> [This is a terrific example of how our educational system has failed to 
> educate the baby-boom generation in the lessons of history.  Read it and

> weep]
> 
> May 16, 2008 8:52 AM
> Bush, and His Use of "Appeasement"
> 
> Posted by Bruce Ramsey
> 
> Democrats are rebuking President Bush for saying in his speech to the 
> Knesset, here, that to łnegotiate with terrorists and radicals˛ is 
> łappeasement.˛ The Democrats took it as a slap at Barack Obama. What 
> bothers me is the continual reference to Hitler and his National 
> Socialists, particularly the British and French accommodation at the 
> Munich Conference of 1938.
> 
> The narrative we're given about Munich is entirely in hindsight. We know

> what kind of man Hitler was, and that he started World War II in Europe.

>  From the view of 1938, what Hitler was demanding at Munich was not 
> unreasonable, according to the prevailing idea of the nation-state. His 
> claim was that the German-speaking areas of Europe--and ones that 
> thought of themselves as German --be under German authority. He had just

> annexed Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed. There 
> were two more small pieces of Germanic territory: the free city of 
> Danzig and the Sudetenland, a border area of what is now the Czech
Republic.
> 
> We live in an era when you do not change national borders for these 
> sorts of reasons. We have learned the hazards of it. But 1938 was only 
> 19 years since Germany's borders had been redrawn, and not to its 
> benefit. In the democracies there was some sense of guilt with how 
> Germany had been treated after World War I. Certainly there was a memory

> of the łGreat War.˛ In 2008, we have entirely forgotten World War I, and

> how utterly unlike any conception of łThe Good War˛ it was. When the 
> British let Hitler have a slice of Czechoslovakia, they were following 
> the historical lesson they had learned 1914-1918: avoid war. War 
> produces results far more horrible than you expected. War is a bad 
> investment. It is not glorious. Donąt give anyone an excuse to start
one.
> 
> In a few months, in early 1939, Hitler ordered the invasion of what is 
> now the Czech Republic‹that is, territory that was not German. Then it 
> was obvious that a deal with him was worthless. He made a promise and 
> broke it within about six months. And so when Bush recalls the unnamed 
> senator who, in September 1939, lamented that he had not been able to 
> talk to Hitler, he hits an easy target. But the moment of September 1939

> is nothing like today.
> 
>
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/edcetera/2008/05/bush_and_his_use_of_app
> easemen.html
> 
> [
> Yeah, let Hitler have a slice of Czechoslovakia.  After all, war is a 
> bad investment.
> ]



No, it's a pretty good example of understanding what things are really 
about.

Feel free to explain why you disagree.
 




 23 Posts in Topic:
Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"
"Steven L." <  2008-05-16 20:03:23 
Re: Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"
Mitchell Holman <Noema  2008-05-16 19:46:12 
Re: Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"
"Bill Bonde { ''the   2008-05-17 02:06:26 
Re: Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"
Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-16 21:46:09 
Re: Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"
Mitchell Holman <Noema  2008-05-16 21:43:14 
Re: Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"
"Bill Bonde { ''the   2008-05-18 02:36:31 
Re: Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"
Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-16 20:58:30 
Re: Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"
"Bill Bonde { ''the   2008-05-17 02:04:22 
Re: Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"
"zzbunker@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-16 18:36:15 
Re: Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"
Harold Burton <hal.i.b  2008-05-16 21:47:54 
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Re: Seattle Times Editorial: "Hitler Wasn't All That Bad"
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