Curt: I have no idea who Madeleine Brown is or what she bases her
statements upon. Have you investigated her sup****ting do***entation?
H.L. Hunt did enjoy gambling and he had a "health" fetish interest in
unorthodox remedies-- but I've never seen any data suggesting that he
was ever taking drugs -- by which I presume you mean illegal drugs?
Yes -- "lots of people" were FBI "informants" but many times, people
who CLAIMED to have been an FBI "undercover agent" or "informant" were
lying. I do***ent this in my JBS re****t -- chapter 7 and also in my
new re****t on Edgar Bundy (Church League of America).
Legitimate FBI informants were rated in terms of their reliability.
Initially, they were on probationary status in order weed out those
whose information was useless or non-credible. There are ways to
establish who GENUINELY was an FBI informant -- and I suspect that
someone like Harry Dean has never been rigorously questioned about his
claims.
Your comments about J. Edgar Hoover and the JBS are not sup****ted by
any evidence I have seen. I have acquired more than 30,000 pages of
FBI HQ and field office files on the JBS and its prominent members and
sympathizers. In fact, in many instances, I am the ONLY person who
has ever requested and received those do***ents --- so I can't imagine
what your statements are based on. I suggest you read my JBS Re****t
(65 pages). You will discover the attitude of senior FBI officials
(including Hoover) about Robert Welch and the JBS. I cite numerous
direct quotations from FBI re****ts and memos.
On May 17, 4:22=C2=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 17, 10:35=C2=A0am,ernie1241<ernie1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:> Curt:
=C2=
=A0I'm not aware that H.L. Hunt "held JBS meetings in his home" or
> > that he even sup****ted the JBS. =C2=A0However, his son, Nelson Bunker
Hu=
nt,
> > is on the JBS National Council.
>
> > I've seen no credible data regarding any JBS connection (as an
> > organization) to the assassination of JFK.
>
> I believe you can receive corroboration from Madeleine Brown's book,
> LBJ's mistress, who knew him and hobnobbed with him. =C2=A0Jack Ruby had
> his literature on him when he was arrested for killing LHO. =C2=A0Ruby
> provided girls, gambling, and drugs to H.L. =C2=A0H.L was known by his
top=
> aide, Curington, to have seen Ruby, Oswald, Oswald's handler,
> DeMoren****ldt, and H.L together on "various occasions." =C2=A0Here is a
> chapter on H.L. from a book that goes for about $40 on ebay.
>
> http://www.voxfux.com/kennedy/farewell/farewell11.html
>
>
>
>
>
> > However, some individual members/sympathizers of the JBS were involved
> > in preparing and publi****ng the nasty "Wanted For Treason" flyer that
> > appeared in Dallas and Robert Alan Surrey and Joseph Grinnan (JBS
> > members) were involved in the famous anti-JFK newspaper ad "Welcome
> > Mr. Kennedy" that was published in the Dallas Morning News on the day
> > of JFK's assassination.
>
> > A lot of false or highly suspect data about this matter has been
> > circulated by Harry J. Dean who claims he was an FBI "undercover
> > agent" or informant within the Birch Society. =C2=A0However, Dean's
> > assertions about his background are fabrications.
>
> > Recently, I received an FBI do***ent which pertains to an inquiry
> > about a column by James Horwitz published on page 2 of the 3/16/77
> > issue of the Las Virgenes (CA) Independent Valley News.
>
> > The column re****ted on their "exclusive interview" with Harry Dean
> > during which he repeated his claims about his alleged association with
> > the FBI as an undercover operative or informant from 1960-1965.
>
> > The Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI's Los Angeles field office
> > (Robert E. Gebhardt) responded to an inquiry about Dean's assertions
> > and he forwarded a copy of his 4/1/77 reply to James K. Coffin, the
> > Publisher of the Las Virgenes Independent Valley News. =C2=A0You may
obt=
ain
> > a copy of the column, the inquiry, and the reply by requesting FBI Los
> > Angeles field office file 100-59001, serial #1258.
>
> > Here is the pertinent excerpt of Gebhardt's reply:
>
> > "In the interest of accuracy, I must advise you that Harry Dean has
> > never been an undercover operative of the Federal Bureau of
> > Investigation, has never been an informant of this Bureau, and has
> > never been instructed to perform any act on behalf of the Federal
> > Bureau of Investigation. =C2=A0Furthermore, I can tell you that the
FBI =
has
> > never investigated the John Birch Society. =C2=A0I am bringing the
above=
> > information your attention. =C2=A0You might consider furni****ng this
> > information to the readers of your column."
>
> > On May 16, 10:54=EF=BF=BDpm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote=
:
>
> Lots of people are FBI informants. =C2=A0Jack Ruby was because he didn't
> want other people coming in to his mob territory of illegal
> activities, and snitched them off.
>
> JEH probably didn't care about the JBS because he already had an 'anti-
> communist' aura over him. =C2=A0He went after all those gremlins while
the=
> Mob ran roughshod over him. =C2=A0Basically Hoover only went after
people
> that he could use, like President's, and people with lots of money
> like the Murchison's of Dallas who owned the Cowboys, and vacationed
> at his resort in California every year. =C2=A0I just did a piece where
JEH=
> was ordered to close down the anti-Cuba camps in Lake Ponchartrain, LA
> where they were making and practicing invasion plans against Castro
> and Cuba. =C2=A0JEH out of hatred and defiance just had one of the six
> camps closed. =C2=A0And as Gil is alluding to, hated the Kennedy's so
much=
> and had everything to lose by them, that he helped the conspirators
> not only kill him by complicity, also helped protect the conspirators
> by maneuvering the investigation through the top of his office to
> 'overlook' the evidence and the people that were under him, to make
> sure there was only one man guilty in the American Public's eye, LHO.
>
> CJ
>
>
>
>
>
> > > On May 16, 3:16=EF=BF=BDpm,ernie1241<ernie1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > The most recent edition of my 65-page John Birch Society Re****t
whic=
h
> > > > is based primarily upon first-time released FBI files and
do***ents
> > > > may be seen at:
>
> > > > JBS Re****t Chapters 1 thru 4:
=EF=BF=BDhttp://ernie1241.googlepages.=
com/jbs-1
>
> > > > (1) FBI Evaluations of Robert Welch and the John Birch Society
> > > > including a brief introduction to the controversy over Robert
Welch'=
s
> > > > book-length "private letter" entitled The Politician.
>
> > > > (2) FBI vs JBS on Internal Security Status of U.S.
>
> > > > (3) FBI vs JBS on Communist Infiltration of Clergy and Religious
> > > > Institutions
>
> > > > (4) FBI vs JBS on Communists in the Department of Health,
Education,=
> > > > Welfare
>
> > > > JBS Re****t, Chapter 5:
=EF=BF=BDhttp://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs=
-2
>
> > > > (5) FBI vs JBS on Dr. Harry A. Overstreet as an alleged Communist
> > > > Sympathizer or Dupe
>
> > > > JBS Re****t, Chapters 6-7:
=EF=BF=BDhttp://ernie1241.googlepages.com/=
jbs-3
>
> > > > (6) =EF=BF=BDFBI vs. JBS on Civil Rights Movement -- including
Alan =
Stang's
> > > > 1965 book, It's Very Simple, and, Highlander Folk School as an
alleg=
ed
> > > > "Communist Training School"
>
> > > > (7) =EF=BF=BDFBI vs JBS on Persons JBS Claims To Be "Experts" on
Com=
munism
>
> > > > (includes discussion of Dan Smoot, W. Cleon Skousen, David Gumaer,
> > > > Julia Brown, Lola Belle Holmes, among others
>
> > > > SEE ALSO:
>
> > > > Details re: MY RESEARCH here - updated
5/16/08:http://ernie1241.goog=
lepages.com/home
>
> > > > my January 2008 26-page re****t on former FBI Special Agent Dan
Smoot=
> > > > at:http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/smoot
>
> > > > Aside from mis-representing his FBI background, Smoot's
observations=
> > > > and conclusions about the civil rights movement and organizations
li=
ke
> > > > NAACP (which are identical to those circulated by the John Birch
> > > > Society) are contradicted by sources both he and the Birch Society
> > > > recommended as authoritative and reliable--including former CPUSA
> > > > members who were FBI informants and whom subsequently became paid
> > > > speakers for the John Birch Society! =EF=BF=BD See my Smoot re****t
f=
or
> > > > details.
>
> > > > My May 2008 9-page re****t on Edgar C. Bundy (Church League of
Americ=
a)
> > > > at:http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/bundy-1
>
> > > > My May 2008 21-page re****t on Martin Luther King Jr. and the
> > > > "Communist Training School"
at:http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/HFS-=
1
>
> > > > my 20-page bibliography concerning anti-CFR and anti-Illuminati
book=
s,
> > > > pamphlets, and articles since the beginning of the 20th century
(cop=
y
> > > > available upon request)
>
> > > > my 57-page bibliography of academic theses and doctoral
dissertation=
s
> > > > pertaining to the right-wing in the United States (copy available
up=
on
> > > > request)
>
> > > > my December 2007 13-page article entitled "Purpose of Conspiracy
> > > > Theories" at:http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/conspiracytheories
>
> > > > Questions, criticisms, and comments may be directed to me at:
> > > > Ernie1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > Tell us what you think about the Birchers and the assassination of
> > > JFK. =EF=BF=BDI would be most interested in what is thought of H.L
Hun=
t
> > > (richest man in the U.S.) and holder of JBS meetings in his home.
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