From abelard <abelard3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
on Sat, 17 May 2008 01:23:24 +0200
>
>despite surrounding his change of stance with tap dancing with a slew
> of fancy steps and arm waving to distract from his radical
> sideslip...
>this is the critical sentence..:-
>
>http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/16/1032236.aspx
>"It's time to present Iran with a clear choice. If it abandons its
>nuclear program, sup****t for terror, and threats to Israel, then Iran
>can rejoin the community of nations. If not, Iran will face deeper
>isolation and steeper sanctions."
>
>
>of course he has, as a coward, left out any definition of just what he
> means in the real world by 'steeper sanctions'....
>
>does he mean he'll speak severely to iran when he sits down with
> the lunatics in iran....?
>or will he go even further and raise his voice?
>
>of course he could mean he'll nuke tehran if they don't stop acting
> as a rogue state....
>
>typical of the dishonest politician that he is, he makes vague noises
> which fools will read whatever way they wish...
>
> the moonbat left will doubtless be 'thinking' in terms of a
> gentle 'speaking to'....
>
> where as gung ho hawks will be more inclined to think in
> terms of a severe 'seeing to'....
>
>
>
>perhaps someone one day will ask him to be specific....
>then moveon and the rest of the moonbats will doubtless raise
> their usual cackle about 'racism' and demand that the questioner
> shut up and wor****p the obarmy rhetoric instead.....
>
>and obarmy will give the world another rousing chorus of..
>
>yes we can...yes we can...yes we can
>
>regards
Of course his 'reframing' of his remarks of Last July has been noticed
elsewhere.
Here are two linked blog entries on it:
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/article/29896_Obama_Changes_His_Unconditional_Position
Obama Changes His 'Unconditional' Position - Update: Video Added
Sat, May 10, 2008 at 12:02:40 pm PST
In yet another New York Times advocacy piece for Barack Obama, we discover
that the Obama campaign is trying to rewrite history again.
Susan E. Rice, a former State Department and National Security Council
official who is a foreign policy adviser to the Democratic candidate, said
that “for political purposes, Senator Obama’s opponents on the right
have
distorted and reframed” his views. Mr. McCain and his surrogates have
repeatedly stated that Mr. Obama would be willing to meet
“unconditionally”
with Mr. Ahmadinejad. But Dr. Rice said that this was not the case for
Iran
or any other so-called “rogue” state. Mr. Obama believes “that
engagement at
the presidential level, at the appropriate time and with the appropriate
preparation, can be used to leverage the change we need,” Dr. Rice said.
“But nobody said he would initiate contacts at the presidential level;
that
requires due preparation and advance work.”
The problem is, Barack Obama did say he’d meet with Iran
unconditionally, in
front of a lot of people, at the CNN/YouTube Democratic debate last July.
He was specifically and directly asked if he would meet with the leader of
Iran (and the leaders of several other “so-called rogue states”)
without
preconditions, in the first year of his presidency, and his answer was,
“I
would.”
Democratic Debate Transcript, CNN/YouTube - Council on Foreign Relations.
QUESTION: In 1982, Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel, a trip that
resulted
in a peace agreement that has lasted ever since.
In the spirit of that type of bold leader****p, would you be willing to
meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your
administration, in Wa****ngton or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran,
Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that
divides our countries?
OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow
not
talking to countries is punishment to them — which has been the guiding
diplomatic principle of this administration — is ridiculous.
There’s some “reframing” going on here, all right.
****
and,
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/10/history-re-written-obama-never-said-he-would-meet-personally-with-iran-without-precondition-says-advisor/
History re-written: Obama never said he would meet personally with Iran
without precondition, says advisor; Update: Website excerpt added
posted at 3:58 pm on May 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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LGF nails them to the wall, but the Times’s complicity in this whitewash
is
actually even worse than Charles suggests. From today’s story:
Susan E. Rice, a former State Department and National Security Council
official who is a foreign policy adviser to the Democratic candidate, said
that “for political purposes, Senator Obama’s opponents on the right
have
distorted and reframed” his views. Mr. McCain and his surrogates have
repeatedly stated that Mr. Obama would be willing to meet
“unconditionally”
with Mr. Ahmadinejad. But Dr. Rice said that this was not the case for
Iran
or any other so-called “rogue” state. Mr. Obama believes “that
engagement at
the presidential level, at the appropriate time and with the appropriate
preparation, can be used to leverage the change we need,” Dr. Rice said.
“But nobody said he would initiate contacts at the presidential level;
that
requires due preparation and advance work.”
Not only did the Prince of Peace say at the YouTube debate last July that
he’d meet personally and without precondition with Iran, he reaffirmed
that
position in November in an interview with — ta da — the New York
Times, a
fact, incredibly, that’s omitted from today’s article. Memory lane:
Senator Barack Obama said he would “engage in aggressive personal
diplomacy” with Iran if elected president, and would offer economic
inducements and a possible promise not to seek “regime change” if Iran
stopped meddling in Iraq and cooperated on terrorism and nuclear issues…
Making clear that he planned to talk to Iran without preconditions,
Mr.
Obama emphasized further that “changes in behavior” by Iran could
possibly
be rewarded with member****p in the World Trade Organization, other
economic
benefits and security guarantees…
Mr. Obama’s willingness to conduct talks at the highest level with
Iran
… differs significantly from the Bush administration.
Here’s the video from the debate, but I encourage you to read the
transcript
— again, ironically, at the Times’s own site — of what Hillary and
Silky
said in response, just in case Team Barry tries spinning this. Everyone in
the building, his opponents first and foremost, understood him to mean
that
he was willing to chat with Ahmadinejad et al. in person and without
demands
and His Holiness conspicuously failed to correct that impression. He’s
tacking towards the center now that the nomination’s locked up by trying
to
sound a bit more hawkish and the media’s naturally happy to let him do
it by
not reminding him of old promises. Lots, lots, lots more to come in this
vein over the next few months.
Update: Via one of our commenters, right off the guy’s own website:
obama-website.jpg
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