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> Eddie Haskell wrote:
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>>> Eddie Haskell wrote:
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>>>> On Jul 16, 11:39 am, "Eddie Haskell" <h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> On Jul 16, 8:15 am, "Eddie Haskell" <h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:34 am, "Eddie Haskell" <h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 12:20 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <h...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>> ..that you hope and pray for and so refuse to allow increased
>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>> energy production.
>>>>>>>> -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>>> we own 3% of the world's oil. we use 25% of the world's oil. are
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> really thinking that if we could only get at all of that 3%,
>>>>>>>> everything would work out? you guys really take bush's hatred of
>>>>>>>> "fuzzy math" to heart.
>>>>>>> Aside from the fact that I don't buy your numbers for a minute,
the
>>>>>>> percentage of what we own has nothing to do with the percentage we
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is produced.
>>>>>> You ought to buy his figures, though.
>>>>>> For reserves, see:http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.html
>>>>>> US oil reserves: 21.4 billion barrels
>>>>>> Total world reserves: 1,292.6 billion barrels.
>>>>>> US % of total reserves: 21.4/1292.6= 1.655%
>>>>>> Gee, that is worse than what Z said.
>>>>>> How about consumption?
>>>>>>
See:http://investing.curiouscatblog.net/2008/06/30/oil-consumption-by-cou...
>>>>>> US % of total world oil consumption: 25.9%
>>>>>> Google is my friend, even if it isn't yours <g>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>> -------------------------------------
>>>>>> I see you are as dumb as "Z" and think that the percentage that we
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> something to do with the percentage of what we consume that is
>>>>>> produced.
>>>>>> I see you are running away from your contention that Z's figures
were
>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>> I didn't say they were wrong. I said that I didn't buy his numbers.
>>>>> You do realize that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, unless you
>>>>> think your disbelief will somehow magically change how much oil the
US
>>>>> has, or consumes.
>>>> What does not trusting him to state accurate numbers have to do with
>>>> how much oil the US has? Moreover, what does a comparison of our
>>>> percentage of reserves with our percentage of world consumption have
to
>>>> do with how much oil we have?
>>>>
>>>>>> Hell, I didn't even address the rest of your post. I just
>>>>>> pointed out that Z was optimistic when he said that the US has 3%
of
>>>>>> the proven oil reserves. The actual number is 1.65%.
>>>>>> And, of course, we can't produce more than we have. I agree we
could
>>>>>> produce *some* more oil,
>>>>> Not with democrats controlling congress.
>>>>> Ahh, argument by assertion. I know that is the best you've got, but
do
>>>>> try to do better.
>>>> I understand. Can't disagree with the fact that democrats oppose
>>>> off-shore drilling so you project.
>>>
>>> Credit where credit is due, Eddie:
>>>
>>> "The Bush administration in 2001 backed off a proposal to allow
drilling
>>> in the Gulf of Mexico in an area that came as close as 16 miles to
>>> beaches in Florida's panhandle. What the Bush administration approved
>>> instead keeps drilling at least 100 miles from the coast."
>>>
>>> http://www.factcheck.org/article183.html
>>>
>>> I guess that's the best you've got.
>>
>> Pssst.. See where it says "approved instead?"
>
> The net effect was that, as a political favor, Bush opposed drilling
near
> the coastline of the state where his brother was governor, and the
country
> as a whole be damned.
>
> "We can drill anywhere but where it might damage the political fortunes
of
> muh family... heh heh heh"
So he shouldn't consider the wishes of states and their governors unless
they are not related to him?
That wouldn't be very conservative of him..
Fact stands. Bush approved offshore and has lifted the executive ban while
democrats obstruct obstruct obstruct.
>> Further, that was in 2001 and Bush just lifted the executive ban.
>>
>> Democrats won't and oppose offshore drilling like I said.
>>
>> But I guess reaching back to 2001 where Bush approved offshore just not
>> 16 miles offshore is the best you've got.
>>
>>>>>> but we also have to look at the environmental
>>>>>> implications of that production. Finally, even T. Boone Pickens
(oil
>>>>>> billionaire) agrees that we aren't going to drill our way out of
this
>>>>>> crisis, and we need to look at alternate sources of energy and at
>>>>>> conservation.
>>>>> Nuclear is our best bet, but democrats won't let us do that either.
>>>>> I believe there is a great deal of fear of nuclear among the
>>>>> population.
>>>> To the degree that they are, we can thank left-wing fear-mongering.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=1:9338
>>>
>>> Are you *that* easily frightened, Eddie?
>>
>> No, but dems are. I'm for nuke power. Remember?
>>
>> I guess you got confused again.
>>
>>>>> Just look how the people of Nevada are reacting to the
>>>>> proposal to locate the high-level radioactive waste in their state,
>>>>> even if it will be miles underground.
>>>> People would be naturally more opposed to having nuclear waste dumped
>>>> in their back yard than having a nuke plant there.
>>>>
>>>>> So, I don't think it is just
>>>>> Democrats who are against nuclear power.
>>>> The anti-nuclear power movement that shut down the industry was
>>>> decidedly left-wing. No doubt about that. So is anti-drilling.
>>> Again, lest you stumble on through life shrouded in delusion:
>>>
>>> "The Bush administration in 2001 backed off a proposal to allow
drilling
>>> in the Gulf of Mexico in an area that came as close as 16 miles to
>>> beaches in Florida's panhandle. What the Bush administration approved
>>> instead keeps drilling at least 100 miles from the coast."
>>>
>>> http://www.factcheck.org/article183.html
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now here we are..
>>> Thank Bush for that.
>>
>> You need to read your own post. See were it says "approved instead?"
Bush
>> opened up offshore drilling, just not the part that was 16 miles from
the
>> coast.
>>
>> I also liked this part:
>>
>> "Also, the energy bill Bush originally proposed contained a provision
>> that would have called for the Department of the Interior to inventory
>> oil and gas resources in the Outer Continental Shelf including areas in
>> the Gulf. That inventory provision was stripped from the bill in
Congress
>> after representatives of Florida and some other coastal states
objected,
>> saying it would eventually lead to pressure for more drilling. The
>> bill -- currently stalled in the Senate -- still contains a provision
>> giving the Interior Department authority to grant easements, or
>> rights-of-way, for offshore activities that sup****t exploration,
>> development, production, trans****tation or storage of oil and gas"
>>
>> That means that we really don't know how much oil we have, as we
haven't
>> explored everywhere.
>>
>> So there goes your whole argument.
I'll take your silence on the matter as your admission.
>> Up in smoke..
>>
>> KA-BOOM!
>>
>> -Eddie haskell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> --
> Output from Prudhoe Bay peaked in 1998 at 2 million barrels per day.
It's
> been
> declining ever since. Every year, less and less oil is pumped
> from the Prudhoe Bay oil field. Today, less than 700,000 barrels a day
> are being pumped south.
>
> Total production from 1977 through 2005 was 13 billion barrels. As of
> August 2006, BP estimated that only 2 billion recoverable barrels
remain.
>
> Prudhoe Bay is running dry.
Oh-ma-god! Drill drill drill!!
-Eddie Haskell
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