greccogirl <greccogirl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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> 1545 Dead wrote:
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>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:11:03 GMT, greccogirl <greccogirl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
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>>>1543 Dead wrote:
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>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:57:46 GMT, greccogirl <greccogirl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>1543 Dead wrote:
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>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:43:18 GMT, greccogirl <greccogirl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>>>gjohns01@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Liberals,HATE-America.,' wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Chalk up another victim to the bloodthirsty liberals and their
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>culture of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>death. Terri Schiavo has been starved to death.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>1500 babies being slaughtered per day just isn't enough for these
>>>>>>>>>bloodthirsty killers. Poor Terri. She just didn't fit the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>bloodthirsty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>liberals idea of a human being who would be allowed to live. She
>>>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>brain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>damaged, not dead. She slept, woke and smiled. She was not sick,
>>>>>>>>>She
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>physically healthy and all her organs worked. She needed no life
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sup****t.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>She only needed help being fed just as many who are paralyzed or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>severely
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>retarded. I guess the bloodthirsty liberals will go after them
>>>>>>>>>next.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>After
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>all, they are just a drain on society and serve no purpose.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hitler is smiling in Hell. Liberals have done him proud.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being.
>>>>>>>>>They are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted,
>>>>>>>>>closed-minded, selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Very amusing. Conservatives love going to war against nations that
>>>>>>>>never threaten us, celebrate the killing of tens of thousands of
>>>>>>>>innocent civilians in the process. Conservatives love the
>>>>>>>>executions of the brain-damaged and minors. Conservatives want to
>>>>>>>>ignore the body-bags of our best and brightest coming back from
>>>>>>>>their useless wars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet this Republican still thinks he can lecture us because we
>>>>>>>>didn't want to stand in the way of the wishes of hopelessly
>>>>>>>>brain-damaged woman.
>>>>>>>> I got news for you, hypocrits like yourself will occupy a lower
>>>>>>>>level of Hell than any of us ever see.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You are so full of crap. There was NO COMPELLING evidence of what
>>>>>>>Terri wanted. Her husband wanted to kill her and he got away with
>>>>>>>it in court.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On more than 20 occassions. With more than 30 judges involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I bet the coronor's office is in on the conspiracy, too, huh?
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh it wasn't a conspiracy. In this country you can get away with
>>>>>legalized murder, hell you can even get your wife put into a hospice
>>>>>against Florida law when she isn't terminally ill.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Where else are you gonna put them if there is no hope of recovery?
>>>>Schiavo's parents tried that, back in 1993. They gave up after six
>>>>months. Returned her to the hospice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hell, you can even kill someone against their wishes WHEN THEY SAY
>>>>>diferrently themselves:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.internationaltaskforce.org/mm.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I notice that the man is not PVS, and in fact is very clearly
>>>>conscious and aware of his surroundings, is able to communicate
>>>>through a computer, He indicates that he is happy and wants to live.
>>>>
>>>>Under those cir***stances, nobody in their right mind would advocate
>>>>removing his sup****t. That wife sounds like one seriously crazy ****.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>As previously re****ted in the Update (5-6/93), the case of
>>>>>41-year-old Michael Martin, severely disabled as the result of a 1987
>>>>>car-train accident, is currently before the Michigan Court of
>>>>>Appeals. Michael, who experts say is not in a persistent vegetative
>>>>>state, has indicated that he wants to live. His wife and current
>>>>>legal guardian, Mary Martin, petitioned a Michigan Probate Court to
>>>>>have Michael's gastrostomy tube feeding stopped, claiming that
>>>>>Michael had made statements prior to the accident indicating that he
>>>>>would not want to live as a "vegetable."
>>>>>
>>>>>But 2 of Michael's co-workers, who were present at the time Michael
>>>>>made those statements, testified that his present condition is not
>>>>>the type Michael referred to in those statements. Probate Judge
>>>>>George Greig rejected Mary Martin's request to have Michael starved
>>>>>and dehydrated to death because Michael's pre-accident statements
>>>>>were not in writing.
>>>>>
>>>>>The judge would have granted the request if Michael were terminally
>>>>>ill or unconscious. The fact that Michael indicated that he wanted to
>>>>>live was ruled irrelevant by the judge because of Michael's "impaired
>>>>>condition." The judge also refused to give legal standing to
>>>>>Michael's mother and sister, who were attempting to remove his wife
>>>>>as legal guardian.
>>>>>
>>>>>Understand???? They were going to starve this man to death even
>>>>>though he HIMSELF COMMUNICATED LEAVE ME ALONE.
>>>>>
>>>>>So let's not talk about conspiracy. It isn't needed in America when
>>>>>it comes to pulling people's feeding tubes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're saying "if x, y, and z were not the case, then this might have
>>>>happened. " That makes no sense at all, since x, y, and z were the
>>>>case, and the reason your supposition did not happen.
>>>>
>>>>Don't you GET it? The judge said he would have granted the wife's
>>>
>>>request had Michael been "unconscious". HIS LIVING WILL SAID he wanted
>>>to live, but the judge wouldn't have followed it.
>>
>>
>> Actually, the judge said he would if had Michael been PSV or
>> "non-responsive". The judge went and interviewed Michael himself (an
>> unedited copy of the proceedings is available at
>> http://bhs.msu.edu/martin.htm
and determined that no grounds existed
>> for withdrawal of the feeding tube. The Court of Appeals back the
>> judge on this, as did the state high court.
>>
>> The testimony is clear that Michael often said he didn't want to be
>> kept alive if he was totally incapacitated and dependent on others.
>> That's what his wife was basing her petitions on, but Michael himself
>> is indicating that he no longer feels that he should be terminated
>> because of his condition. While his cognitive abilities are in doubt,
>> the court must assume the validity of his wishes.
>>
>> I don't see anything to fault the court on. You're basing your
>> outrage on a hypothetical remark a judge made, even though the judge
>> found otherwise and ruled exactly the way you would have wanted him
>> to.
>
> So tell me why this even had to go to court? Why it went to the SUPREME
> court in that state? Michael's feelings didn't "change". He wasn't
> "totally incapacitated". That is the entire point.
>
> So if you feel that the courts are correct and everyone should have
> "choice" (I love that liberal buzz word)
According to the Florida Family Code the spouse
has final say in cases like ****avo's. You DO believe
in following the law, don't you?
> explain how a suspected
> prisoner is now being force fed through a feeding tube who is on a
> hunger strike:
>
Show us what part of Florida law is relevant
to this case.
>
>
>
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-cuban-espionag
> e,0,819167.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
>
> Judges: Feds Can Put Feeding Tube in Cuban
>
>
> By Associated Press
>
> April 15, 2005, 4:02 PM EDT
>
>
>
> MIAMI -- A judge cleared the way for federal officials to have a feeding
> tube inserted in a Cuban exile who is on a weekslong hunger strike to
> protest his detention as a suspected spy.
>
> Juan Emilio Aboy was at Jackson Memorial Hospital's inmate ward,
> hospital spokeswoman Lorraine Nelson said Friday.
>
> A day earlier, U.S. District Judge Paul Huck agreed with another judge's
> order to "involuntarily administer nutrients" to Aboy through a stomach
> or intravenous tube, and to restrain him if he attempts to remove it.
>
> "The decision to not eat was his choice. A court order was issued
> allowing the U.S. Public Health Service to take any necessary
> precautions in the interest of his health," said Nina Pruneda,
> spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Miami.
>
>
>
> Too bad poor Terri Schavio wasn't a suspected spy. She'd still be
> alive.
>
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