Mitchell Holman <ta2eneNo*Email@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> greccogirl <greccogirl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> 1545 Dead wrote:
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>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:11:03 GMT, greccogirl <greccogirl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>1543 Dead wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:57:46 GMT, greccogirl <greccogirl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>1543 Dead wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:43:18 GMT, greccogirl
<greccogirl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>gjohns01@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Liberals,HATE-America.,' wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Chalk up another victim to the bloodthirsty liberals and their
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>culture of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>death. Terri Schiavo has been starved to death.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>1500 babies being slaughtered per day just isn't enough for
these
>>>>>>>>>>bloodthirsty killers. Poor Terri. She just didn't fit the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>bloodthirsty
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>liberals idea of a human being who would be allowed to live.
She
>>>>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>brain
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>damaged, not dead. She slept, woke and smiled. She was not
sick,
>>>>>>>>>>She
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>physically healthy and all her organs worked. She needed no
life
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>sup****t.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>She only needed help being fed just as many who are paralyzed
or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>severely
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>retarded. I guess the bloodthirsty liberals will go after them
>>>>>>>>>>next.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>After
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>all, they are just a drain on society and serve no purpose.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hitler is smiling in Hell. Liberals have done him proud.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>Liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being.
>>>>>>>>>>They are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted,
>>>>>>>>>>closed-minded, selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Very amusing. Conservatives love going to war against nations
that
>>>>>>>>>never threaten us, celebrate the killing of tens of thousands
of
>>>>>>>>>innocent civilians in the process. Conservatives love the
>>>>>>>>>executions of the brain-damaged and minors. Conservatives want
to
>>>>>>>>>ignore the body-bags of our best and brightest coming back from
>>>>>>>>>their useless wars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yet this Republican still thinks he can lecture us because
we
>>>>>>>>>didn't want to stand in the way of the wishes of hopelessly
>>>>>>>>>brain-damaged woman.
>>>>>>>>> I got news for you, hypocrits like yourself will occupy a
lower
>>>>>>>>>level of Hell than any of us ever see.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You are so full of crap. There was NO COMPELLING evidence of
what
>>>>>>>>Terri wanted. Her husband wanted to kill her and he got away
with
>>>>>>>>it in court.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On more than 20 occassions. With more than 30 judges involved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I bet the coronor's office is in on the conspiracy, too, huh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh it wasn't a conspiracy. In this country you can get away with
>>>>>>legalized murder, hell you can even get your wife put into a
hospice
>>>>>>against Florida law when she isn't terminally ill.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Where else are you gonna put them if there is no hope of recovery?
>>>>>Schiavo's parents tried that, back in 1993. They gave up after six
>>>>>months. Returned her to the hospice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hell, you can even kill someone against their wishes WHEN THEY SAY
>>>>>>diferrently themselves:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.internationaltaskforce.org/mm.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I notice that the man is not PVS, and in fact is very clearly
>>>>>conscious and aware of his surroundings, is able to communicate
>>>>>through a computer, He indicates that he is happy and wants to
live.
>>>>>
>>>>>Under those cir***stances, nobody in their right mind would
advocate
>>>>>removing his sup****t. That wife sounds like one seriously crazy
****.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>As previously re****ted in the Update (5-6/93), the case of
>>>>>>41-year-old Michael Martin, severely disabled as the result of a
1987
>>>>>>car-train accident, is currently before the Michigan Court of
>>>>>>Appeals. Michael, who experts say is not in a persistent
vegetative
>>>>>>state, has indicated that he wants to live. His wife and current
>>>>>>legal guardian, Mary Martin, petitioned a Michigan Probate Court
to
>>>>>>have Michael's gastrostomy tube feeding stopped, claiming that
>>>>>>Michael had made statements prior to the accident indicating that
he
>>>>>>would not want to live as a "vegetable."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But 2 of Michael's co-workers, who were present at the time
Michael
>>>>>>made those statements, testified that his present condition is not
>>>>>>the type Michael referred to in those statements. Probate Judge
>>>>>>George Greig rejected Mary Martin's request to have Michael
starved
>>>>>>and dehydrated to death because Michael's pre-accident statements
>>>>>>were not in writing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The judge would have granted the request if Michael were
terminally
>>>>>>ill or unconscious. The fact that Michael indicated that he wanted
to
>>>>>>live was ruled irrelevant by the judge because of Michael's
"impaired
>>>>>>condition." The judge also refused to give legal standing to
>>>>>>Michael's mother and sister, who were attempting to remove his
wife
>>>>>>as legal guardian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Understand???? They were going to starve this man to death even
>>>>>>though he HIMSELF COMMUNICATED LEAVE ME ALONE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So let's not talk about conspiracy. It isn't needed in America
when
>>>>>>it comes to pulling people's feeding tubes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You're saying "if x, y, and z were not the case, then this might
have
>>>>>happened. " That makes no sense at all, since x, y, and z were the
>>>>>case, and the reason your supposition did not happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't you GET it? The judge said he would have granted the wife's
>>>>
>>>>request had Michael been "unconscious". HIS LIVING WILL SAID he
wanted
>>>>to live, but the judge wouldn't have followed it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, the judge said he would if had Michael been PSV or
>>> "non-responsive". The judge went and interviewed Michael himself
(an
>>> unedited copy of the proceedings is available at
>>> http://bhs.msu.edu/martin.htm
and determined that no grounds existed
>>> for withdrawal of the feeding tube. The Court of Appeals back the
>>> judge on this, as did the state high court.
>>>
>>> The testimony is clear that Michael often said he didn't want to be
>>> kept alive if he was totally incapacitated and dependent on others.
>>> That's what his wife was basing her petitions on, but Michael
himself
>>> is indicating that he no longer feels that he should be terminated
>>> because of his condition. While his cognitive abilities are in
doubt,
>>> the court must assume the validity of his wishes.
>>>
>>> I don't see anything to fault the court on. You're basing your
>>> outrage on a hypothetical remark a judge made, even though the judge
>>> found otherwise and ruled exactly the way you would have wanted him
>>> to.
>>
>> So tell me why this even had to go to court? Why it went to the
SUPREME
>> court in that state? Michael's feelings didn't "change". He wasn't
>> "totally incapacitated". That is the entire point.
>>
>> So if you feel that the courts are correct and everyone should have
>> "choice" (I love that liberal buzz word)
>
>
> According to the Florida Family Code the spouse
> has final say in cases like ****avo's. You DO believe
> in following the law, don't you?
>
>
>
i havent seen these right wingers follow a law yet TF
>> explain how a suspected
>> prisoner is now being force fed through a feeding tube who is on a
>> hunger strike:
>>
>
> Show us what part of Florida law is relevant
> to this case.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-cuban-
espionag
>> e,0,819167.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
>>
>> Judges: Feds Can Put Feeding Tube in Cuban
>>
>>
>> By Associated Press
>>
>> April 15, 2005, 4:02 PM EDT
>>
>>
>>
>> MIAMI -- A judge cleared the way for federal officials to have a
feeding
>> tube inserted in a Cuban exile who is on a weekslong hunger strike to
>> protest his detention as a suspected spy.
>>
>> Juan Emilio Aboy was at Jackson Memorial Hospital's inmate ward,
>> hospital spokeswoman Lorraine Nelson said Friday.
>>
>> A day earlier, U.S. District Judge Paul Huck agreed with another
judge's
>> order to "involuntarily administer nutrients" to Aboy through a
stomach
>> or intravenous tube, and to restrain him if he attempts to remove it.
>>
>> "The decision to not eat was his choice. A court order was issued
>> allowing the U.S. Public Health Service to take any necessary
>> precautions in the interest of his health," said Nina Pruneda,
>> spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Miami.
>>
>>
>>
>> Too bad poor Terri Schavio wasn't a suspected spy. She'd still be
>> alive.
>>
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