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>>>>> http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2
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>>>>> Bviolates%2B235%2Bpatents%2F2100-1014_3-6183437.html
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>>>>> Re****t: Microsoft says open source violates 235 patents
>>>>> Top Microsoft lawyer alleges in a magazine interview that
>>>>> the Linux kernel and OpenOffice.org violate hundreds of
>>>>> the company's patents. By Ina Friedand Stephen Shankland
>>>>> Staff Writer, CNET News.com
>>>>> Published: May 13, 2007, 7:35 PM PDT
>>>>> Last modified: May 13, 2007, 8:30 PM PDT
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>>>>> 235 patents
>>>>>
>>>>> update Microsoft claims that free and open-source software
>>>>> violates 235 of its patents, according to a magazine
>>>>> re****t published Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>> In an interview with Fortune, Microsoft top lawyer Brad
>>>>> Smith alleges that the Linux kernel violates 42 Microsoft
>>>>> patents, while its user interface and other design
>>>>> elements infringe on a further 65. OpenOffice.org is
>>>>> accused of infringing 45, along with 83 more in other
>>>>> free and open-source programs, according to Fortune.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not entirely clear how Microsoft might proceed in
>>>>> enforcing these patents, but the company has been
>>>>> encouraging large tech companies that depend on Linux to
>>>>> ink patent deals, starting with its controversial pact
>>>>> with Novell last November. Microsoft has also cited Linux
>>>>> protection playing a role in recent patent swap deals with
>>>>> Samsung and Fuji Xerox. Microsoft has also had discussions
>>>>> but not reached a deal with Red Hat, as noted in the
>>>>> Fortune article.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is also quoted in the article
>>>>> as saying Microsoft's open-source competitors need to
>>>>> "play by the same rules as the rest of the business."
>>>>>
>>>>> "What's fair is fair," Ballmer told Fortune. "We live in a
>>>>> world where we honor, and sup****t the honoring of,
>>>>> intellectual property."
>>>>>
>>>>> The story notes that some big tech proponents of open
>>>>> source have been stockpiling intellectual property as part
>>>>> of the Open Invention Network, set up in 2005 by folks
>>>>> like Sony, Red Hat, IBM, NEC and Philips. The article
>>>>> surmises that if Microsoft were to go after open source,
>>>>> these companies' combined know-how might give it some
>>>>> patent weapons to go after Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Microsoft representative did not immediately respond to
>>>>> an e-mail seeking comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given how deeply entrenched open-source software has
>>>>> become in the computing industry, taking direct legal
>>>>> action against the open-source realm would be a
>>>>> complicated, hackle-raising undertaking for Microsoft.
>>>>> Customers use open-source software widely, and many major
>>>>> computing companies--IBM, Dell, Sun Microsystems,
>>>>> Hewlett-Packard, Motorola and Oracle, for example--sup****t
>>>>> Linux work directly.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not the first time that open-source patent concerns
>>>>> have arisen. A 2004 study by a Open Source Risk
>>>>> Management, a company selling insurance against risks of
>>>>> using open-source software, concluded that Linux could
>>>>> violate at least 283 patents, 27 of them Microsoft
>>>>> patents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patents and the open-source movement get along awkwardly
>>>>> at best. Patent law gives proprietary, exclusive rights to
>>>>> patent holders, but open-source programming is built on
>>>>> the idea of free sharing. Newer open-source licenses
>>>>> sometimes address the issue by requiring contributors to
>>>>> open-source projects to grant users and developers of
>>>>> the software a perpetual, royalty-free license to any
>>>>> patents that relate to the contribution.
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>>>>> Different companies have dealt in different ways with the
>>>>> open-source patent conundrum. For example, HP has taken a
>>>>> pro-patent stance, while IBM, Nokia, Sun and others have
>>>>> granted some rights to use some of their patents in
>>>>> open-source software.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Open Invention Network remains a relatively young
>>>>> effort, but it has attracted participation this year from
>>>>> proprietary software giant Oracle and from Linux sup****t
>>>>> seller Canonical. A company may license the network's
>>>>> patents for free as long as they promise not to assert any
>>>>> patent claims against those involved in the "Linux
>>>>> environment."
>>>>>
>>>>> The Free Software Foundation is working on a new draft of
>>>>> the General Public License, one element of which will ban
>>>>> partner****ps such as the one struck by Novell and
>>>>> Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> The Linux geeks love to bash MSFT. Yet they love to copy
>>>> the features and funtionality of MSFT products. They only
>>>> wish they had a product half as powerful and feature rich
>>>> as MSFT has. The Linux geeks are nothing but a bunch of
>>>> thieves intent on destroying the rights of intellectual
>>>> property owners.
>>>
>>> Billary, try pulling your head out of your ass at least once
>>> a month...
>>>
>>> Linux's kernel is based upon open-source codebases dating
>>> back to the early days of UNIX. The user interface runs on
>>> top of the open-sourced X-windows system. These codebases
>>> were in use before the earliest version of Windows, which
>>> was developed *in response to* the X-windows and the [then
>>> dominant] Macintosh operating system. It was Microsoft that
>>> copied its features and GUI design from Apple (who copied it
>>> from Xerox PARC in the late 1970's), not the other way
>>> around.
>>>
>>> Since the open source movement is very strict about only
>>> using open sourced codebases, and since another company
>>> (SCO) has already attempted to sue Linux out of existence -
>>> and failed miserably - I don't think anybody is too worried
>>> about Microsoft. If they're smart, they'll co-opt Linux
>>> (embrace and extend) rather than attempt to sue it out of
>>> existence (which will fail). They're likely attempting a
>>> multi-pronged attack.
>>>
>>> It its infamous lawsuit, SCO claimed that it had evidence of
>>> significant patent infringement in the Linux codebase. As
>>> it turned out, they were lying. They had nothing. Nada.
>>> Zilch. The case was thrown out - but not until their stock
>>> had soared many months, making the execs and their lawyers
>>> very rich. MSFT is very likely attempting a more expensive
>>> version of the SCO gambit: Spew massive FUD all over the
>>> headlines, drag the case out for a couple of years, watch
>>> your stock climb as you threaten large Linux shops
>>> (especially recent converts) with crippling lawsuits should
>>> they continue to resist Microsoft's expensive, bloated,
>>> insecure, bug-ridden, proprietary products. Typical
>>> monopolist tactics.
>>>
>>> There's a reason that Microsoft has been likened to the
>>> alient "Borg" from Star Trek. Resistance is futile.
>>>
>>
>> Take YOUR head out of YOUR ass. MSFT isn't trying to kill
>> Linux, they're trying to defend their patents. Any owner of
>> intellectual property would do the same. You're so critical
>> of the MS-OS yet assholes like you aren't qualified to write
>> a single line of code beyond "hello world". So shut the ****
>> up you thief.
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> And Bill stole windows from Steve who stole it from Xerox
>
> So shut the **** up, you thief.
Wrong asshole. Steve stole it from Xerox, then sold it to Bill. Stop
talking out of your ass.
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