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>http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.com....
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>>>>>>>> > Re****t: Microsoft says open source violates 235 patents
>>>>>>>> > Top Microsoft lawyer alleges in a magazine interview that the
>>>>>>>> > Linux kernel
>>>>>>>> > and OpenOffice.org violate hundreds of the company's patents.
>>>>>>>> > By Ina Friedand Stephen Shankland
>>>>>>>> > Staff Writer, CNET News.com
>>>>>>>> > Published: May 13, 2007, 7:35 PM PDT
>>>>>>>> > Last modified: May 13, 2007, 8:30 PM PDT
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>>>>>>>> > Re****t: Microsoft says open source violates 235 patents
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > update Microsoft claims that free and open-source software
>>>>>>>> > violates 235 of
>>>>>>>> > its patents, according to a magazine re****t published Sunday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > In an interview with Fortune, Microsoft top lawyer Brad Smith
>>>>>>>> > alleges that
>>>>>>>> > the Linux kernel violates 42 Microsoft patents, while its user
>>>>>>>> > interface
>>>>>>>> > and other design elements infringe on a further 65.
>>>>>>>> > OpenOffice.org is
>>>>>>>> > accused of infringing 45, along with 83 more in other free and
>>>>>>>> > open-source
>>>>>>>> > programs, according to Fortune.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > It is not entirely clear how Microsoft might proceed in
enforcing
>>>>>>>> > these
>>>>>>>> > patents, but the company has been encouraging large tech
>>>>>>>> > companies that
>>>>>>>> > depend on Linux to ink patent deals, starting with its
>>>>>>>> > controversial pact
>>>>>>>> > with Novell last November. Microsoft has also cited Linux
>>>>>>>> > protection
>>>>>>>> > playing a role in recent patent swap deals with Samsung and
Fuji
>>>>>>>> > Xerox.
>>>>>>>> > Microsoft has also had discussions but not reached a deal with
>>>>>>>> > Red Hat, as
>>>>>>>> > noted in the Fortune article.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is also quoted in the article as
>>>>>>>> > saying
>>>>>>>> > Microsoft's open-source competitors need to "play by the same
>>>>>>>> > rules as the
>>>>>>>> > rest of the business."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > "What's fair is fair," Ballmer told Fortune. "We live in a
world
>>>>>>>> > where we
>>>>>>>> > honor, and sup****t the honoring of, intellectual property."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > The story notes that some big tech proponents of open source
have
>>>>>>>> > been
>>>>>>>> > stockpiling intellectual property as part of the Open Invention
>>>>>>>> > Network,
>>>>>>>> > set up in 2005 by folks like Sony, Red Hat, IBM, NEC and
Philips.
>>>>>>>> > The
>>>>>>>> > article surmises that if Microsoft were to go after open
source,
>>>>>>>> > these
>>>>>>>> > companies' combined know-how might give it some patent weapons
to
>>>>>>>> > go after
>>>>>>>> > Windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > A Microsoft representative did not immediately respond to an
>>>>>>>> > e-mail
>>>>>>>> > seeking comment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Given how deeply entrenched open-source software has become in
>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>> > computing industry, taking direct legal action against the
>>>>>>>> > open-source
>>>>>>>> > realm would be a complicated, hackle-raising undertaking for
>>>>>>>> > Microsoft.
>>>>>>>> > Customers use open-source software widely, and many major
>>>>>>>> > computing
>>>>>>>> > companies--IBM, Dell, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard,
Motorola
>>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>>> > Oracle, for example--sup****t Linux work directly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > It's not the first time that open-source patent concerns have
>>>>>>>> > arisen. A
>>>>>>>> > 2004 study by a Open Source Risk Management, a company selling
>>>>>>>> > insurance
>>>>>>>> > against risks of using open-source software, concluded that
Linux
>>>>>>>> > could
>>>>>>>> > violate at least 283 patents, 27 of them Microsoft patents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Patents and the open-source movement get along awkwardly at
best.
>>>>>>>> > Patent
>>>>>>>> > law gives proprietary, exclusive rights to patent holders, but
>>>>>>>> > open-source
>>>>>>>> > programming is built on the idea of free sharing. Newer
>>>>>>>> > open-source
>>>>>>>> > licenses sometimes address the issue by requiring contributors
to
>>>>>>>> > open-source projects to grant users and developers of the
>>>>>>>> > software a
>>>>>>>> > perpetual, royalty-free license to any patents that relate to
the
>>>>>>>> > contribution.
>>>>>>>> > Now on News.com
>>>>>>>> > Re****t: Microsoft says open source violates 235 patents Most
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Different companies have dealt in different ways with the
>>>>>>>> > open-source
>>>>>>>> > patent conundrum. For example, HP has taken a pro-patent
stance,
>>>>>>>> > while
>>>>>>>> > IBM, Nokia, Sun and others have granted some rights to use some
>>>>>>>> > of their
>>>>>>>> > patents in open-source software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > The Open Invention Network remains a relatively young effort,
but
>>>>>>>> > it has
>>>>>>>> > attracted participation this year from proprietary software
giant
>>>>>>>> > Oracle
>>>>>>>> > and from Linux sup****t seller Canonical. A company may license
>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>> > network's patents for free as long as they promise not to
assert
>>>>>>>> > any
>>>>>>>> > patent claims against those involved in the "Linux
environment."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > The Free Software Foundation is working on a new draft of the
>>>>>>>> > General
>>>>>>>> > Public License, one element of which will ban partner****ps such
>>>>>>>> > as the one
>>>>>>>> > struck by Novell and Microsoft.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Linux geeks love to bash MSFT. Yet they love to copy the
>>>>>>>> features and
>>>>>>>> funtionality of MSFT products. They only wish they had a product
>>>>>>>> half as
>>>>>>>> powerful and feature rich as MSFT has. The Linux geeks are
nothing
>>>>>>>> but a
>>>>>>>> bunch of thieves intent on destroying the rights of intellectual
>>>>>>>> property
>>>>>>>> owners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Um.... do you know where MS got its original OS's from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know where Internet Explorer came from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know why MS Word, STILL a functionally inferior product to
>>>>>>> Wordperfect, is the most popular word processor in the world?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MS hasn't had an original idea during their entire existence, and
>>>>>>> their marketing strategy revolves around predatory capitalism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OpenOffice has been around since 2000, and they're just NOW
claiming
>>>>>>> that they're "stealing" code for basic functionality?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck with that...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You really shouldn't lecture me about MSFT. I spent the whole
decade
>>>>>> of the 1990's working for MSFT in the sales & marketing division.
I
>>>>>> didn't live Microsoft history, I made it. Get a reality check.
Your
>>>>>> facts are laughable and dated.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's really "laughable" here is your horribly swollen attempts at
>>>>> grandiosity, ****ll.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ****ing interloper, fraud, charlatan, liar, ****ll.
>>>
>>> Run out of your medicine, ****ll?
>>>
>>
>> Your blood sugar looks to be low
>
> And yet YOU are the one who's doing a Tourette's dance for us.
>
> Do you ever see just how transparent you really are?
You ****ing fraud, charlatan, liar, ****ll.
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