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>http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.com....
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>>>>>>>>> > Re****t: Microsoft says open source violates 235 patents
>>>>>>>>> > Top Microsoft lawyer alleges in a magazine interview that the
>>>>>>>>> > Linux kernel
>>>>>>>>> > and OpenOffice.org violate hundreds of the company's patents.
>>>>>>>>> > By Ina Friedand Stephen Shankland
>>>>>>>>> > Staff Writer, CNET News.com
>>>>>>>>> > Published: May 13, 2007, 7:35 PM PDT
>>>>>>>>> > Last modified: May 13, 2007, 8:30 PM PDT
>>>>>>>>> > Tell us what you think about this storyTalkBackE-mail this
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>>>>>>>>> > Re****t: Microsoft says open source violates 235 patents
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > update Microsoft claims that free and open-source software
>>>>>>>>> > violates 235 of
>>>>>>>>> > its patents, according to a magazine re****t published Sunday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > In an interview with Fortune, Microsoft top lawyer Brad Smith
>>>>>>>>> > alleges that
>>>>>>>>> > the Linux kernel violates 42 Microsoft patents, while its user
>>>>>>>>> > interface
>>>>>>>>> > and other design elements infringe on a further 65.
>>>>>>>>> > OpenOffice.org is
>>>>>>>>> > accused of infringing 45, along with 83 more in other free and
>>>>>>>>> > open-source
>>>>>>>>> > programs, according to Fortune.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > It is not entirely clear how Microsoft might proceed in
>>>>>>>>> > enforcing these
>>>>>>>>> > patents, but the company has been encouraging large tech
>>>>>>>>> > companies that
>>>>>>>>> > depend on Linux to ink patent deals, starting with its
>>>>>>>>> > controversial pact
>>>>>>>>> > with Novell last November. Microsoft has also cited Linux
>>>>>>>>> > protection
>>>>>>>>> > playing a role in recent patent swap deals with Samsung and
Fuji
>>>>>>>>> > Xerox.
>>>>>>>>> > Microsoft has also had discussions but not reached a deal with
>>>>>>>>> > Red Hat, as
>>>>>>>>> > noted in the Fortune article.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is also quoted in the article as
>>>>>>>>> > saying
>>>>>>>>> > Microsoft's open-source competitors need to "play by the same
>>>>>>>>> > rules as the
>>>>>>>>> > rest of the business."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > "What's fair is fair," Ballmer told Fortune. "We live in a
world
>>>>>>>>> > where we
>>>>>>>>> > honor, and sup****t the honoring of, intellectual property."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > The story notes that some big tech proponents of open source
>>>>>>>>> > have been
>>>>>>>>> > stockpiling intellectual property as part of the Open
Invention
>>>>>>>>> > Network,
>>>>>>>>> > set up in 2005 by folks like Sony, Red Hat, IBM, NEC and
>>>>>>>>> > Philips. The
>>>>>>>>> > article surmises that if Microsoft were to go after open
source,
>>>>>>>>> > these
>>>>>>>>> > companies' combined know-how might give it some patent weapons
>>>>>>>>> > to go after
>>>>>>>>> > Windows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > A Microsoft representative did not immediately respond to an
>>>>>>>>> > e-mail
>>>>>>>>> > seeking comment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Given how deeply entrenched open-source software has become in
>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>> > computing industry, taking direct legal action against the
>>>>>>>>> > open-source
>>>>>>>>> > realm would be a complicated, hackle-raising undertaking for
>>>>>>>>> > Microsoft.
>>>>>>>>> > Customers use open-source software widely, and many major
>>>>>>>>> > computing
>>>>>>>>> > companies--IBM, Dell, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard,
>>>>>>>>> > Motorola and
>>>>>>>>> > Oracle, for example--sup****t Linux work directly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > It's not the first time that open-source patent concerns have
>>>>>>>>> > arisen. A
>>>>>>>>> > 2004 study by a Open Source Risk Management, a company selling
>>>>>>>>> > insurance
>>>>>>>>> > against risks of using open-source software, concluded that
>>>>>>>>> > Linux could
>>>>>>>>> > violate at least 283 patents, 27 of them Microsoft patents.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Patents and the open-source movement get along awkwardly at
>>>>>>>>> > best. Patent
>>>>>>>>> > law gives proprietary, exclusive rights to patent holders, but
>>>>>>>>> > open-source
>>>>>>>>> > programming is built on the idea of free sharing. Newer
>>>>>>>>> > open-source
>>>>>>>>> > licenses sometimes address the issue by requiring contributors
>>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>>> > open-source projects to grant users and developers of the
>>>>>>>>> > software a
>>>>>>>>> > perpetual, royalty-free license to any patents that relate to
>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>> > contribution.
>>>>>>>>> > Now on News.com
>>>>>>>>> > Re****t: Microsoft says open source violates 235 patents Most
>>>>>>>>> > hated blogger
>>>>>>>>> > on the planet? Photos: Engineering lessons learned from
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Different companies have dealt in different ways with the
>>>>>>>>> > open-source
>>>>>>>>> > patent conundrum. For example, HP has taken a pro-patent
stance,
>>>>>>>>> > while
>>>>>>>>> > IBM, Nokia, Sun and others have granted some rights to use
some
>>>>>>>>> > of their
>>>>>>>>> > patents in open-source software.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > The Open Invention Network remains a relatively young effort,
>>>>>>>>> > but it has
>>>>>>>>> > attracted participation this year from proprietary software
>>>>>>>>> > giant Oracle
>>>>>>>>> > and from Linux sup****t seller Canonical. A company may license
>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>> > network's patents for free as long as they promise not to
assert
>>>>>>>>> > any
>>>>>>>>> > patent claims against those involved in the "Linux
environment."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > The Free Software Foundation is working on a new draft of the
>>>>>>>>> > General
>>>>>>>>> > Public License, one element of which will ban partner****ps
such
>>>>>>>>> > as the one
>>>>>>>>> > struck by Novell and Microsoft.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Linux geeks love to bash MSFT. Yet they love to copy the
>>>>>>>>> features and
>>>>>>>>> funtionality of MSFT products. They only wish they had a
product
>>>>>>>>> half as
>>>>>>>>> powerful and feature rich as MSFT has. The Linux geeks are
>>>>>>>>> nothing but a
>>>>>>>>> bunch of thieves intent on destroying the rights of intellectual
>>>>>>>>> property
>>>>>>>>> owners.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Um.... do you know where MS got its original OS's from?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you know where Internet Explorer came from?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you know why MS Word, STILL a functionally inferior product to
>>>>>>>> Wordperfect, is the most popular word processor in the world?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MS hasn't had an original idea during their entire existence, and
>>>>>>>> their marketing strategy revolves around predatory capitalism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OpenOffice has been around since 2000, and they're just NOW
>>>>>>>> claiming
>>>>>>>> that they're "stealing" code for basic functionality?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good luck with that...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You really shouldn't lecture me about MSFT. I spent the whole
>>>>>>> decade of the 1990's working for MSFT in the sales & marketing
>>>>>>> division. I didn't live Microsoft history, I made it. Get a
>>>>>>> reality check. Your facts are laughable and dated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's really "laughable" here is your horribly swollen attempts at
>>>>>> grandiosity, ****ll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ****ing interloper, fraud, charlatan, liar, ****ll.
>>>>
>>>> Run out of your medicine, ****ll?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your blood sugar looks to be low
>>
>> And yet YOU are the one who's doing a Tourette's dance for us.
>>
>> Do you ever see just how transparent you really are?
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> You ****ing fraud, charlatan, liar, ****ll.
Tourette's is a terrible disease.
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