Re: Time to Start Shooting "animal rights" Psychopaths

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Dragonblaze
<dragonblaze@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>On 1 Jul, 18:54, Rupert <rupertmccal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> These quotations from David Harrison are certainly very interesting.
>> Engaging in an activity which is like to cause injury or death to
>> humans, or for that matter any sentient being, is not an ethically
>> justifiable way to behave and it's a very poor strategy for doing
>> something about animal suffering, which one would hope is the ultimate
>> goal. I will not donate money to PETA because I do not wish my money
>> to end up in the hands of the Earth Liberation Front and many of us in
>> the animal protection movement frequently have cause to feel annoyed
>> with PETA as one of the more publicly visible organisations in the
>> animal protection movement who identify themselves as "animal rights".
>> Your typical animal rights activist doesn't really fit the image you
>> would normally have of a terrorist.
>
>PETA's track record in animal welfare is abysmal - since they think
>pets should not exist due to their belief in "animal rights" - and
>there was a scandal with PETA killing than 90 percent of the adoptable
>animals in its care during 2007. Which means the sadistic PETA freaks
>will not get a single penny off me - EVER!
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
>
> Now, I'm an omnivore, and very interested in animal welfare
>(something quite a few vegans deny is possible). 

    It's people like yourself who contribute to better lives for livestock
with your lifestyle. Vegans do NOT. It's people like yourself who care
about those animals' lives, NOT vegans. They have no argument 
against your interest in AW. Their elimination objective works against
providing decent lives.

>It means I sup****t
>RSPCA, PDSA and buy organic/freerange - I'm lucky enough to have a
>city farm within walking distance and can see for myself how the
>animals are cared for and what conditions they live in.

    That is lucky. What kind of farm?

>In my opinion promoting animal welfare is better for preventing animal
>suffering than promoting "animal rights."
>
>Dragonblaze

    No doubt. The misnomer "ar" works against the concept of providing
decent lives for domestic animals:
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.. . . Not only are the philosophies of animal rights and animal welfare 
separated by irreconcilable differences, and not only are the 
practical reforms grounded in animal welfare morally at odds with 
those sanctioned by the philosophy of animal rights, but also the 
enactment of animal welfare measures actually impedes the 
achievement of animal rights.

.. . . There are fundamental and profound differences between the
philosophy of animal welfare and that of animal rights.

.. . .  Many animal rights people who disavow the philosophy of animal 
welfare believe they can consistently sup****t reformist means to abolition

ends. This view is mistaken, we believe, for moral, practical, and
conceptual 
reasons.

.. . . welfare reforms, by their very nature, can only serve to retard the
pace 
at which animal rights goals are achieved.
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AVMA POLICY ON ANIMAL WELFARE AND ANIMAL RIGHTS

Animal welfare is a human responsibility that encomp***** all aspects of 
animal well being, including proper housing, management, nutrition,
disease 
prevention and treatment, responsible care, humane handling, and, when 
necessary, humane euthanasia.

Animal rights is a philosophical view and personal value characterized by 
statements by various animal rights groups. Animal welfare and animal
rights 
are not synonymous terms. The AVMA wholeheartedly endorses and adopts 
promotion of animal welfare as official policy; however, the AVMA cannot 
endorse the philosophical views and personal values of animal rights
advocates 
when they are incompatible with the responsible use of animals for human 
purposes, such as companion****p, food, fiber, and research conducted for
the 
benefit of both humans and animals.

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