Re: Time to Start Shooting "animal rights" Psychopaths

Rupert wrote:

> Most animals in modern farms do not have decent lives, and this is a
> consequence of the mindset which says that it is okay for us to use
> animals for our own ends.

It's a consequence of the mindset that says that the quality of the 
animals' lives is of little or no im****tance.

> Veganism is a perfectly reasonable strategy
> for reducing suffering,

It may be a fairly effective strategy but "perfectly reasonable" would 
be an overstatement. Avoiding the use of animal products at all cost may 
be counter-productive, for example buying high quality locally made 
leather goods or even local meat or fish products may ultimately reduce 
suffering more than than using im****ted or manufactured goods.  You 
cause less suffering by wearing those recycled leather shoes than by 
buying the made in Indonesia plastic ones, even if your vegan friends 
look down their noses at you. Vegans typically dismiss or minimize the 
impact of their own consumption while addressing the issue of animal use 
with extreme exaggeration and over-reactions. A typical example of this 
is the common view by vegans that anything containing animal products is 
akin to poison, the belief, without evidence that it would make them 
violently ill, or that it would diminish them morally.

A "perfectly reasonable" strategy might have a lot in common with 
veganism, but would be less hysterical and more pragmatic.

 > and there is no basis for saying that vegans
> don't "care" as much as conscientious omnivores, that is idiotic.
> There is no reason why providing "decent" lives for livestock is
> better than allowing wild animals to fill up the ecological niche.

Exactly right.