Re: Time to Start Shooting "animal rights" Psychopaths

On Jul 6, 4:52=A0am, Dutch <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Rupert wrote:
> > Most animals in modern farms do not have decent lives, and this is a
> > consequence of the mindset which says that it is okay for us to use
> > animals for our own ends.
>
> It's a consequence of the mindset that says that the quality of the
> animals' lives is of little or no im****tance.
>
> > Veganism is a perfectly reasonable strategy
> > for reducing suffering,
>
> It may be a fairly effective strategy but "perfectly reasonable" would
> be an overstatement. Avoiding the use of animal products at all cost may
> be counter-productive, for example buying high quality locally made
> leather goods or even local meat or fish products may ultimately reduce
> suffering more than than using im****ted or manufactured goods. =A0You
> cause less suffering by wearing those recycled leather shoes than by
> buying the made in Indonesia plastic ones, even if your vegan friends
> look down their noses at you.

Well, maybe, you'd want to look into that further. Or I could go the
whole hog and set up my own vegetable garden.

My shoes were made in Australia, by the way, by a company called Vegan
Wares.

> Vegans typically dismiss or minimize the
> impact of their own consumption while addressing the issue of animal use
> with extreme exaggeration and over-reactions.

That might be true but it's not really relevant to *****sing veganism
as a strategy. I didn't say there was no room for improvement.
Veganism is not such a bad rule of thumb. Worrying about whether your
beer and wine contains traces of fish and egg products is misdircted
energy.

> A typical example of this
> is the common view by vegans that anything containing animal products is
> akin to poison, the belief, without evidence that it would make them
> violently ill, or that it would diminish them morally.
>
> A "perfectly reasonable" strategy might have a lot in common with
> veganism, but would be less hysterical and more pragmatic.
>

All right.

> =A0> and there is no basis for saying that vegans
>
> > don't "care" as much as conscientious omnivores, that is idiotic.
> > There is no reason why providing "decent" lives for livestock is
> > better than allowing wild animals to fill up the ecological niche.
>
> Exactly right.