Re: Pre-existent "entities" ruining our lives???

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Goo lied incredibly obviously:

>dh challenged
>:
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:28:52 GMT, Dutch <no@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> 
>>> dh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 pointed out:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:29:55 GMT, Dutch <no@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>>>>> The Logic of the Larder was defeated in 1914. Many legitimate
arguments 
>>>>> exist for the humane use of animals, LoL (aptly) is not one of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> "It is often said, as an excuse for the slaughter of animals, that
it is 
>>>>> better for them to live and to be butchered than not to live at all.
" - Salt

>>>>     Only to people who believe that experiencing a decent life of 
>>>> positive value is better than not experiencing it, 

>>> It's an illegitimate argument. The wish is so obviously father to the 
>>> thought...
>> 
>>     Try explaining how you think that prevents livestock from
>> benefitting from their lives.
>
>Never were talking about that

"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo

"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo

"when it moves from "pre-existence" into the life we 
can detect, we cannot conclude that life is a benefit 
to it." - Goo

"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo

"Life -per se- NEVER is a "benefit" to animals or 
even to humans" - Goo

"Life is not a "benefit" to livestock or any other 
animals." - Goo

""Life", by which you mean coming into existence, is 
not a benefit at all" - Goo

"I have examined the question at length, and feel 
there is only one reasonable conclusion:  life, per se, 
is not a benefit." - Goo

"coming into existence didn't make me better off than 
I was before." - Goo

"Life is not a gain" - Goo

>, Goo.  We only were talking about your 
>insane obsession with "pre-existent" livestock

"The meaningless fact-lette that farm animals "get 
to experience life" deserves no consideration when 
asking whether or not it is moral to kill them.  Zero." - Goo

"existence is not benefit to farm animals." - Goo

"Coming into existence is not a benefit to them" - Goo

"Being born is not a benefit in any way.  It can't be." - Goo

"No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing 
benefits from coming into existence." - Goo

"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo

"First of all, life itself - life per se - has no value to any 
animal, including humans.  " - Goo

"Coming into existence is not a benefit to an entity." - Goo

"An entity's life _per se_ is not a benefit to it." - Goo

3/19/05
Life is not a benefit for farm animals. . . .
Life is not a benefit for farm animals. . . .
Life is not a benefit for farm animals. . . .
Life is not a benefit for farm animals. - Goo

"the "getting to experience life" deserves NO moral 
consideration, and is given none" - Goo

"When considering your food choices ethically, assign 
ZERO weight to the morally empty fact that choosing to 
eat meat causes animals to be bred into existence." - Goo

"The op****tunity for potential livestock to "get to 
experience life" deserves *NO* moral consideration 
whatever" - Goo

""getting to experience life" is not a benefit." - Goo

"It is completely UNIM****TANT, morally, that "billions 
of animals" at any point "get to experience life." 
ZERO im****tance to it." - Goo