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26.
June 17th, 2008 at 17:03 pm
Knights:
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¡°Yeah those things are superstitious, but actually those things
are some ancient wisdom and you know, I think that the idea that
everything is nothing,like dead, no soul, no thought, no intelligence,
no meaning, well, from my background of understanding nature, that is
totally superstitious and implausible. I think things in the world are
so magical, life, death, thinking, growing, plants, feelings, it is all
very mystical, none of it (to me) fits with the belief that the world is
one dimensional and meaningless.¡±
Hello, I never said I do NOT believe in souls, spirits etc. I also
believe in science, and thank you I am NOT as crazy as you your friends
such as JK, karze, pk et al.
27.
June 17th, 2008 at 17:09 pm
Ben:
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Thank goodness some of us are free to choose what to and not to
believe in. Pity those who can¡¯t.
28.
June 17th, 2008 at 17:15 pm
Knights:
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Carryanne, I am moderate buddhist, NOT a crazy one,
wait let me borrow a similar quote from Matt Y. in some other GVO
forum
We know of the words ¡°superstition¡±, ¡°buddhism¡±, ¡°nature¡±,
¡°souls¡±
etc . . .so come on lecture us something new. . . . ;-)
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June 17th, 2008 at 17:18 pm
Knights:
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¡°I hope the CCP will be in prison by August so the Chinese people
can have a nice Olympics.¡±
I hope the terrorists and separatists will be in prison by August
so the Chinese people (56 minzhu ethnic groups) can have a nice Olympics.
30.
June 17th, 2008 at 18:35 pm
my_mother:
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Carryanne:
Yeah, it is about time that the Chinese people WAKE UP ¡ª and see
through all of the Falun Gong driven anti-CCP crap that you are spewing.
Did I mention that you are a political Jackal? Just in case you
missed that one, yeah, you are an op****tunistic Jackal. All anyone has
to do is go back to the comments you posted right after the 5.12
earthquake to see what a vile and soulless person you are.
Do you want me to copy and paste them here?
Oh yeah, bring all your Falun Gong crap into the open, so we can
all see it for what it really is.
You can call me a CCP agent or whatever you want. I am sure you
will. But just bring your Falun Gong crap in to the open! Bring it on!
Here¡¯s some reading for anybody that cares.
http://exposingthefalungong.org/
best
Kain
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June 17th, 2008 at 19:46 pm
Knights:
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Thanks Kain, very nice reading on the evil Falun cult. I have
always known Falun is an evil cult, so I have asked my family and
friends to stay away from it.
I have an alternative name for the Nobel peace prize, and it¡¯s
called western anti-China prize.
32.
June 17th, 2008 at 21:05 pm
my_mother:
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Hey Kennedy,
¡°@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
let me know if you notice your fingers suddenly curl up and
fall off sometime within the next week.¡±
Thanks for your best regards.
As for anything substantive, I won¡¯t hold my breath.
Are you familiar with the phrase ½Á·à°ô? Sometimes there isn¡¯t all
that much difference between ½Á·à°ô and ¹·×жÓ, especially when there¡¯s
an audience to pander to. Just be mindful of what kind of audience you
want to attract to your forum. It could potentially have a quite a large
impact on whether it will turn in to a forum for meaningful exchange or
a road rage forum.
Gee, from the quality of the comments to your articles so far,
they tend to lead quite bit toward the latter. I personally would like
to see more constructive venues that can foster more meaningful exchanges.
It kind of gives new meaning to ¡°Global Voices¡± if everybody is
screaming at each other. But, hey, if that¡¯s what you are shooting for,
keep up the good work.
Best
Kain
P.S. Today is June 17, 2008. It would be cinchy for me to pull the
number 666 out of it. To make it more challenging, do you want to bet on
whether or not I could pull the number 666 out of every date this month?
33.
June 18th, 2008 at 0:31 am
chan:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
#5
Since my question ¡°Are you slapping yourself ?¡± directed to JK,
still now can¡¯t be answered by JK himself. Let me tell him what my
opinion is; JK instead is slapping himself because 1) I do not believe
in curse, and he accused me of cursing like sharon stone,3) since he
remarked that I am cursing by putting a question ¡°What curses is that in
US?¡±, he fail to see that the title ¡°Curse of Olympic mascots ?¡± (also
a
question)initiated by himself over here, but he fail to see himself
before/after he remarked me 2) He himself said ¡± he do not believe curse
and karma too¡± but he is putting the question ¡°Curse of Olympic mascots
?¡± this is a question and the title of his blog.
Anyway, this is his job, I believe he has reasons to say that this
started from China. However, by using this blog title ¡°curse of Olympic
mascots?¡±, I would like to return the remark he given to me back to
himself.
34.
June 18th, 2008 at 1:43 am
carryanne:
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Knight, I was not criticizing your beliefs I was questioning why
you think some foreign people who have not done anything to your country
are somehow so terrible to the point that they are the worste things for
China. China has major problems including natural disasters and all
sorts of huge issues, so I was wondering why you overlook those stuff
and say that the comments of Sharon Stone have somehow harmed your
country?????
kain, bring it on, what the hey are you on about??? You take every
op****tunity to curse out Falun Gong, Falun Gong is not the only issue in
China, you know that and I know that, so what is your major problem?
Evil cult? Whatever, you wanna paste up some terrible things I said? You
say I¡¯m a political bad guy??? I am not, I tell you the truth, I am not
a bad guy so bring it on, or better yet just cool off cause you got
nothin¡¯ on me, better yet, why don¡¯t we communicate like civilized
adults and be more real. I tell you I am no jackal, and I am not
interested in China¡¯s political whatever, why dont you believe that I
actually care about human rights?
35.
June 18th, 2008 at 5:35 am
chan:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why do you need to force your belief in Falun Gong is Good to
others. Could you repect people¡¯s belief ? We Chinese, ourselves got a
long history or proven records in practicing Qigong, we know what is
good and bad practices through so many years of practicing by ourselves
before your grands are born !!! There are many kind of Qigong in
China(Shaolin, tai ji, ba qua, dao, Wu dan, Er Mei¡.etc), which has long
long history and better background than Falun Gong which has no back
ground or foundation.Do you know even some clause of the Holy Bible can
be missused.Even for Buddhism and many other religions. However, a wise
man is able to see clearly. I myself practice Shaolin qigong for a few
years during my teenage for my own health only and not for gaining
floating skill or ¡°deity¡±, but I can not float like ¡°Falun Gong¡±
master
Li.My teacher teaching me Qigong also never declared himself as ¡°deity¡±.
Maybe he should try to float from US back to China without using
aircraft, so that more people would believe he is deity. :-)
Go ahead, if you believe in it you can practice Falun Gong to
become ¡°deity¡± and see whether it is good for you first !!! It is really
need a strong belief to make your dream come true. :-) All the best to
you after practice ¡°deity¡± Falun Gong. :-) Remember to put a link here
to show us after you have achieved ¡°deity¡± and ¡°floating¡±. Thanks
36.
June 18th, 2008 at 6:48 am
my_mother:
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Carryanne:
I don¡¯t believe for a second that you care about human rights. It
just happens that¡¯s your weapon of choice.
Yeah, I said WEAPON OF CHOICE. In the name of human rights, you
can concoct all sort of crap and gain immediate credibility. Why?
Because China seems like the sort of ¡°Bad Guy¡± that people love to hate.
Just give people a reason; Any reason will suffice ¡ª be it real of
imagined.
As a Falun Gong sock puppet, ain¡¯t that the stuff you guys are
best at? That is, giving people reasons to lambaste China. And in doing
so legitimize your own cause.
How? If china is the ¡°Bad guy¡± and you are being hassled by the
China, then you must be a ¡°Good guy¡±, right? Ain¡¯t that what your CCP
*****ing is all about?
Yeah, that makes you a political Jackal. You don¡¯t give a flying
monkey¡¯s arse about human rights. All you care about is advancing your
agenda at any cause ¡ª even to the point of fabricating crap.
And when that comes at the expense of something that cares a heck
a lot about, that¡¯s where I draw the line. So, bring all your Falun Gong
crap into the open.
37.
June 18th, 2008 at 7:05 am
John Kennedy:
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This is a discussion space, nobody is forcing anything on anyone.
38.
June 18th, 2008 at 7:10 am
chan:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
For Sharon Stone issue, please see JK response to me. May be it
would be helpful to to you. :-)
39.
June 18th, 2008 at 7:13 am
chan:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don¡¯t like the way your comment on JK#5, please take note !!!
40.
June 18th, 2008 at 7:20 am
my_mother:
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Carryane:
¡°So what does the year of disasters in China mean to me?¡. So if I
was to guess at why these things are happening to Chinese people, I
think I would say that it might mean WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!¡± (Comment #23)
Yeah, it is this sort of comments that shows you to be a
completely vile and soulless person.
People died in these disasters! A lot of people died; People who
haven¡¯t done anything except the simple misfortune of being where they
are at the time.
To say that their death is some kind of cosmic lesson against the
CCP simply shows that you are nothing but a vile soulless Jackal that
will use any means and op****tunity to advance your agenda.
Anything you espouse should be doubly scrutinized.
41.
June 18th, 2008 at 7:24 am
Brent:
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Very interesting article, JK. Thanks again. I¡¯m sorry to see that
some of the more rabid netizens have shown up here to froth at the mouth
about perceived slights towards China. These kind of people (chan, Kain)
give the Chinese a bad name. They embarrass China more than Westerners
ever could. It¡¯s sad, because the Chinese people I met in China were
almost always kind and polite, even when discussing political subjects
we disagreed on.
Of course, you don¡¯t meet psychopathic netizens on the streets of
China among the normal Chinese - the netizens are hidden away in the net
bars all night, starting fights over nothing in order to add some drama
to their otherwise dull lives, which consist of playing games on the
Internet and looking at ****. Grow up, guys. Westerners criticize their
own countries, too. While we don¡¯t like certain aspects of the Chinese
government, many of us love other parts of China deeply. You need to
realize that the Chinese and Westerners aren¡¯t enemies. You rabid
netizens are only hurting China¡¯s image.
42.
June 18th, 2008 at 7:32 am
chan:
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For the FUWAS representation on each disaster is really a creative
thought by some people, however really natural disaster will happen
everywhere on earth at anytime. Even in developed and modern country
like US.
From USGS website indictade that,
During the 20th century, floods were the number-one natural
disaster in the United States in terms of number of lives lost and
property damage. They can occur at any time of the year, in any part of
the country, and at any time of the day or night. Most lives are lost
when people are swept away by flood currents, whereas most property
damage results from inundation by sediment-laden water. Flood currents
also possess tremendous destructive power, as lateral forces can
demolish buildings and erosion can undermine bridge foundations and
footings leading to the collapse of structures. The accompanying map and
table locate and describe 32 of the most significant floods of the 20th
century.
I really can give my earnest hope there will be no more disasters
on Earth.JK,please be reminded that I am Not cursing on the disasters
please, as it is true ¡°nature¡± thing that all human beings are facing on
Earth. and help each other when neccessary.
43.
June 18th, 2008 at 7:44 am
John Kennedy:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Noted. You also don¡¯t seem to like the fact that this Fuwa
curse/numerology stuff has been widely discussed online in Chinese, also
noted. If this doesn¡¯t fit into your idea of what One True China should
look like, that¡¯s tough, flinging crap at me won¡¯t make it go away. I
didn¡¯t write this post, I¡¯m not making this stuff up, I only translated
it. My job and goal is to bring relevant discussions from the Chinese
blogosphere into English. Unfortunately, as I mentioned, posts and
threads I found on Google that appeared to try and debunk this whole
idea (including, I should point out, the one I¡¯ve translated above),
have all been deleted. My involvement in this discussion won¡¯t go
anywhere if all you¡¯re going to do is try and hold me responsible for
that.
Your biggest issue as far as I can tell is with the title of this
post. It seemed obvious to me, given that Chinese posts on this topic
used the same wording or very similar variations of it. The post I
translated, for example, had the title ¡®Is there a connection between
these disasters and the Fuwas?¡¯ (ÔÖÄÑÓ븣ÍÞÓйØÂð£¿) Please tell me what
sort of headline it is that you would have liked to see on this post.
On that note, how would you go about debunking this kind of idea
to the kind of people that now entertain it?
44.
June 18th, 2008 at 7:58 am
John Kennedy:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for those points you make. When irrational (death and
destruction) tragedies occur, I think it¡¯s just human to try and find a
rational explanation for that, even if that explanation wouldn¡¯t
normally make much sense. And I don¡¯t think many people really truly
believe that the Fuwas are secretly destroying China. I tried to make
this point above, but apparently I wasn¡¯t clear enough in that attempt.
45.
June 18th, 2008 at 8:41 am
chan:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, JK you are indeed smart guy and reasonable now. I remembered
that someone9my wife) told me once, but I really did not care to find
out more as I really think it is meaningless to relate each FUWAS to
each disaster.And I am not staying in China, and I seldom surf China
Net. However, after all these I found that it is really a creative
thought by some people but a bit of negative.However, most of the
Chinese Netizens are thinking very positively after each major disaster
happened to them. We as outsiders also should contribute positiveness to
this Olympic FUWAS, try to stop spreading this negative about the FUWAS.
I think the most im****tance is stop thinking of negatives as we could
not really stop natural disaster.I could not blame anyone, they are the
one who had faced very serious disasters when hosting the event. However
they are strong and they stand strongly and positively in front of the
World. They are capable of hosting it. So Stop try to link any more
negatives to Olympic FUWAS for the Olympic should be a Joyful and
Peaceful event for the World and Everyone on Earth.We as human beings on
this planent could help contribute more positiveness to Olympic 2008, it
is a World event, not just China event. China is indeed very pround and
positive to host this World Event successfully for everyone. Promote
positiveness from now !!! Dam God want us to live happier each day and
could not stop natural disaster, we have to stop ourselves by stopping
negativities. And, Start generate positiveness now !!!
Definately JK want to be better, more positive and he could
contribute to Olympic -the World event positively, Title should be ¡°The
True Meaning or Respresentation of FUWAS For Olympic 2008¡å completely
positive and healthy. This is my recommendation, I do not force anyhting
over a discussion space provided by you. You are the owner of this
space, and I will give my due respect to you as owner. You recommend as
you ask for it.
Any better Title or Ideas from Others like Kinghts, my_mother or
anyone ? Thanks. One day, I hope people will said ¡°JK for Olympics!!!¡±
over here.
46.
June 18th, 2008 at 9:17 am
my_mother:
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Brent:
Thank you for considering myself to be Chinese! I take that as a
complement.
Yeah, **** surfing has been slow lately. I kind of have to admit
that **** withdrawal can make people kind of edgy.
So, when you are saying that I am making ordinary Chinese look bad
are you speaking from the perspective of the ordinary Chinese person or
as an Anglo?
And if I could be so bold as to ask you how would, or shall I say
SHOULD, an ordinary or typical Chinese behave? After all isn¡¯t that the
White Man¡¯s Burden ¡ª to educate us non-anglos as to the proper way of
carrying ourselves?
First, we got self-righteous A-holes, pardon my french, try
educate us on what¡¯s the proper way of solving our own problems ¡ª as if
we are completely incapable. Now, we got you lecturing us on what¡¯s the
proper way of carrying on.
Are these stuff that far removed from the the ¡°White Man¡¯s
Burden¡±
of yesteryears? It sure does seem like it from this end.
But hey, if you have, as people used to say, completely ¡°gone
native¡± and understand exactly how ordinary Chinese think, feel and
behave, then I offer you my sincerest apology for behaving in a way
unbecoming of an ordinary Chinese.
Anyhow, Brent, have to cut this cut. Got to get back to my ****
surfing (already frothing at the mouth).
Best
Kain
P.S. You can call me rabid, or what the heck you feel like. The
thing is if we don¡¯t speak for ourselves, then who will?
47.
June 18th, 2008 at 9:38 am
John Kennedy:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
xtube.com
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can¡¯t promise to give the Fuwas or GVO¡¯s Olympics blog
coverage a strictly positive spin. Off-hand, I can however assert that
even devil SOBs give off positive vibes sometimes too.
48.
June 18th, 2008 at 9:49 am
chan:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is completely ok for me. I suggested because you ask for it.
Most im****tantly, you have already seen what I mean this time and I have
seen yours.
49.
June 18th, 2008 at 9:55 am
my_mother:
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Hey Kennedy,
Thanks for recommending your favorite **** site to me. xtube.com
rocks. Is this where you go for all your hank (slang for ****; short for
hanky-panky)?
And by the way called Kain. It doesn¡¯t look good when you
recommend **** to your mother.
Best
Kain
50.
June 18th, 2008 at 9:57 am
my_mother:
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I mean call me Kain. Typo #49
51.
June 18th, 2008 at 9:58 am
John Kennedy:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fair enough. Btw, regarding your other comment left just now,
please see the points for consideration directly below the comment box:
# Please treat others with respect.
# Comments containing hate speech, obscenity, and personal attacks
will not be approved.
Would it be possible for you to revise your comment addressed to
Brent and submit it again?
52.
June 18th, 2008 at 10:05 am
chan:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ok, Brent mouth is completely healthy from now. I hope that would
hurt your feeling any more :-0
53.
June 18th, 2008 at 10:07 am
John Kennedy:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Being a good web 2.0 geek, of course I make as much **** as
I consume. So don¡¯t forget to give me a good rating if you ever come
across my hank on there.
54.
June 18th, 2008 at 10:57 am
my_mother:
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Hey Kennedy,
I was going to tell Brent that I was about to run over to my
neighbor¡¯s to make sure that the Chinese and Westerners aren¡¯t enemies.
But I decided that was of rather poor taste. But I guess it¡¯s kind of
appropriate now after your **** recommendation.
Anyhow, I will give you a thumbs up if I run across your hank. I
hope it¡¯s not butt ****. I am going have to give you couple of thumbs
down if that¡¯s the case.
Just look at the unifying effect of **** ¡ª how it brings people
that can¡¯t agree on things together. We should exploit **** as a tool of
diplomacy. And we owe it all to Brent for bringing it up in the first
place. Thanks Brent!!!
Anyhow, Kennedy, it is been fun. Too much intellectual discussions
for one night. I got to wake up earlier in the morning to teach people
some bull**** about psychology.
Best
Kain
55.
June 18th, 2008 at 11:04 am
chan:
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@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You really embarrass yourself too. I am not China. I speak for
myself. Brent,Grow up, be more resonable to see thing properly, don¡¯t
link my opinion over here as China and wake up your mind. Most westerner
I meet is reasonable too before they comment. Never meet a person so
unreasonable before before. Don¡¯t embarrass yourself.
56.
June 18th, 2008 at 13:44 pm
Knights:
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[cracking up] Whoo! June 18th discussions is definitely better
than ****. I am really getting a kick out of this.
answer to Chan,
FUWAS represent the futures of China. . . .
I would not blame the fuwas, if I were superstitious as my
buddhist family members are, then I would blame the year of the rat.
Then again I am NOT superstitious. I do NOT believe in karmic crap.
57.
June 19th, 2008 at 0:43 am
chan:
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Yes, to prove myself that I am not supertitious and not believe in
Karmic crap. This topic is meaningless to me. I would not enter this
Blog Topic over here anymore. Only those who believe in curse or
supertitious wanted to re-generate this topic(like what JK did, however
he said he is not).
58.
June 20th, 2008 at 13:00 pm
Oddly Enough:
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(Reuters) - Floods sweeping southern China seem to have fulfilled
the final stanza of an Internet curse involving Beijing¡¯s Olympic
mascots.
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