Re: Laughing all the way to the Forbidden City...

On Apr 20, 5:18=A0pm, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:43:00 +0800, fyfp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 20, 4:11=A0pm, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:30:34 +0800, fyfp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> (in article
> >> <7af1e12b-c7b7-4c58-9d9d-33f330cee...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> I am not sure how many governments can beat China's government in
> >>> economic achievement scoreboard..China lifted some 300 million folks
> >>> from poverty to world middle class level ....
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> >> China remains a poor country. The dramatic increase in wealth has
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> >> causes:
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> >> 1. The abandonment of wrong policies (finally), most specifically the
> >> commune
> >> farming system and state-owned factories.
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> > So they have gone back to capitalism. =A0Is that what the west has
> > always wanted.
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> Why do you (or anyone) care what "the west" wants. The Chinese should
not
> (and the PLA did not) pay any attention to what "the west" wants.
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> >> 2. A huge influx of foreign investment.
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> > This follows the policy change.
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> Yes.
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> >> 3. The deliberate decision to let foreign capitalist pollute the
enviro=
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> >> and exploit the working class.
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> > In order to prove the existence of exploitation, you have to prove
> > that the employers' market is a monopoly while the labor market a
> > competitive market structure. =A0It does not exist. =A0Doesn't it?
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> You need proof that the Chinese workers are exploited?

There is a level of exploitation anywhere even in socialist Canada
because the market is not perfect, but by and large the level of
exploitation in China is very low given its employment market is quite
competitive.  You need to demonstrate the labor market is monopolized
by a few biggies in order to establish exploitation.  People are not
necessarily exploited simply because they are poor.


 Even Raymond admits
> that.

His knowledge in econ 101 is as good as yours....

 He says it is good for social development.
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> >> None of these can take China to the next level.
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> --
> Love, Jim
> (I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
> crossposts.)
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