Re: Laughing all the way to the Forbidden City...

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:28:45 +0800, fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote
(in article 
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>):

> On 4ÔÂ21ÈÕ, ÏÂÎç2ʱ28·Ö, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:59:26 +0800, fyfp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote
>> (in article
>> <a1102a1f-b9bb-4ca5-a2f1-ebd1b1c4b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 5:18 pm, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> You need proof that the Chinese workers are exploited?
>> 
>>> There is a level of exploitation anywhere even in socialist Canada
>>> because the market is not perfect, but by and large the level of
>>> exploitation in China is very low given its employment market is quite
>>> competitive.  You need to demonstrate the labor market is monopolized
>>> by a few biggies in order to establish exploitation.  People are not
>>> necessarily exploited simply because they are poor.
>> 
>> OK. Here is the proof.
>> 
>> The CCP is in control of licenses, permits, etc. etc. (Of course, it
will
>> grant them for bribes, but that is another story.) That is the monopoly
you
>> say I need to prove to show exploitation.,
>> 
>> In a humane society, the workers could form unions to protect their 
>> interests
>> (not possible in the CCP-controlled economy).
>> 
>> In a humane society, people could form cooperatives to produce goods in
away
>> that protects their interest (not possible in the CCP-controlled
economy).
>> 
>> Would you like more proof?
> 
> What you have shown is the CCP has replaced price mechanism with
> bureacratic power.  This is different from that kind of employer-
> employee relation****p we have been talking about.  The result of this
> substitute has led to corruption, which raises the cost of
> production.  But corruption in the production process does not
> _necessarily_ justify the formation of labor unions, which can easily
> lead to more corruption in a country where the infrastructure is not
> well developed.

I have shown the monopoly which you agreed led to exploitation of the
Chinese 
workers.


-- 
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive 
crossposts.)


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