On Apr 1, 7:19 pm, "benli...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <benli...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Apr 2, 1:36 am, pearl <lilw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 1, 12:07 pm, "benli...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <benli...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 1, 11:02 pm, pearl <lilw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > ..
> > > > > > There's only one dubious (false) story, and it's at your link.
>
> > > > > No arguing with a true believer, I suppose....
>
> > > > That your author lied is a demonstrated fact.
>
> > > "My author"?? I don't have an author in this fight.
>
> > ----------
> > From: "benli...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"
> > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:35:23 -0700 (PDT)
> > ..
> > This pseudo-gospel apparently came to a Victorian eccentric named
> > Ouseley in a dream. For some interesting background see:
>
> >http://www.tektonics.org/lp/ouseley01.html
>
> > Sorry, it is not "another bible".
> > ..
>
> I still don't know who you think is "my author".
The author of the piece at the link you posted..
> > ----------
>
> > > I don't even know which part of this collection of stuff you
consider
> > > a lie.
> > > And how do you imagine this has been "demonstrated"?
>
> > Again, from your "interesting background" link
> > <http://www.tektonics.org/lp/ouseley01.html>
...
>
> > 'In his Preface thereto, Rev. Ouseley claims that The Gospel
> > of the Holy Twelve as received by him was a translation of
> > "one of the most ancient and complete of early Christian
> > fragments", written in Aramaic, and "used in the first Christian
> > Church in Jerusalem", and that this was "the original Gospel
> > from which the four were more or less copied, with numerous
> > variations and im****tant omissions". The translation, he says,
> > was communicated to him "in numerous fragments at different
> > times, by Emmanuel Swedenborg, Anna Kingsford, Edward
> > Maitland, and a priest of a former century giving his name as
> > Placidus, of the Franciscan Order, afterwards a Carmelite",
> > who were the translators thereof (8). '
>
> > What that *later preface* actually says:
>
> > "Their "Gospel of the Holy Twelve " was communicated to the
> > Editors, in numerous fragments at different times, by Emmanuel
> > Swedenborg, Anna Kingsford, Edward Maitland, and a priest of
> > a former century, giving his name as Placidus, of the Franciscan
> > Order, afterwards a Carmelite. By them it was translated from
> > the original, and given to the Editors in the flesh, to be
> > supplemented in their proper places, where indicated, from the
> > "Four Gospels " (A. V.) revised where necessary by the same.
> > ..'http://www.essene.com/NazareneGospel/Preface.htm
>
> > Got it? Rev. Ousley's name doesn't even appear in this text.
>
> So the big lie is that Ousley himself didn't say all this, but "The
> Editors" did? And who are "The Editors"?
Seems to rhyme well with "correctors". Damage limitation.
> > > But sure,
>
> > > > the Church didn't hold with /arguing/ with 'true believers'...
>
> > > Don't worry, I don't plan to burn you or boil you in oil. And I'm
not
> > > a church, or even a christian.
>
> > You leaped into bed with Christian apologists quickly enough.
>
> I didn't leap into anybody's bed.
Uhuh.
> > > I'm just keeping in mind that rational discussion may not get far.
In
> > > that case, my strategy will be to ignore you.
>
> > 'Abuse is about control and the fear of losing it. Ill-treatment is
> > an absurd effort to maintain and enhance the abuser's hegemony -
> >social, cultural, legal, and, above all, psychological. Abusers
exploit,
> > lie, insult, demean, ignore (the "silent treatment"), manipulate, and
> > control. There are a million ways to abuse, directly and by proxy.
> > To expect too much, to denigrate, to ignore - are all modes of abuse.
> > There is physical abuse, verbal abuse, psychological abuse, ***ual
> > abuse. The list is long. Most abusers abuse surreptitiously.
> > ..'http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/verbal_emotional_abuse
>
> Your point?
Wise up to yourself. And others.
|
