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Gunmaker to feds: Make my day!

by "Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearms11@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 18, 2008 at 01:24 PM

Gunmaker to feds: Make my day!
Expert refutes 2nd government claim about automatic fire

2008 WorldNetDaily

A gun expert who alleges the U.S. government is retaliating against him 
<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69668>
for his 
testimony on behalf of a man sentenced to prison after his gun 
malfunctioned now has challenged the feds to go ahead and confiscate one 
of his own products.

"Your suggestion for forfeiture of company property is an excellent 
solution to this most unfortunate controversy. The initiation of 
forfeiture proceedings by ATF against the firearm serial number V1, will 
afford the op****tunity for both parties to be heard and will provide a 
fair and equitable determination of the issues while preserving all 
processes that are due for both parties," Len Savage, owner of Historic 
Arms LLC, wrote in a do***ent prepared for the federal Bureau of 
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. 
<http://www.atf.treas.gov/press/contacts.htm>

"Accordingly, the company awaits notice of seizure of the property and 
the institution of forfeiture proceedings. Historic Arms LLC requests 
that this is done without delay. You will be notified without delay of 
the company decisions for proceeding with forfeiture action upon receipt 
of notice," he wrote in the letter, a copy of which was forwarded to WND.

The dispute is over a part he submitted to the agency that he is 
proposing for an existing line of legal machine guns in the U.S. The 
part would convert the weapons to operate with ammunition that costs 1 
or 2 cents per shell, instead of 25 cents or more.

Such devices, he told WND, are not uncommon.

Savage said he submitted the part to the BATFE, even though it 
technically was not a gun, and was stunned to get a response that not 
only was his repair part a gun, it was a machine gun, and he had only 
hours to "register" it properly.

And all it took was some metal, a length of chain, some duct tape and 
some plastic wire ties for the federal inspectors to make his gun part 
operate in that fa****on, he said he was told.

"The materials [BATFE] added converted the firearm submitted by Historic 
Arms, LLC into a machine gun; therefore, the materials constitute a 
machine gun receiver, a machine gun, or a conversion device," Savage 
responded to John Spencer, chief of the agency's Firearms Technology 
Branch, in a letter about the situation.

Reviewing the agency's modifications to his gun part that allowed it to 
fire automatically, Savage agreed. Sure, he said, that's what happens 
when you add the components of an automatic weapon to any part such as
his.

"If the criteria FTB applied to the testing of our latest submission was 
applied to testing the many caliber conversion uppers that are sold at 
retail with no restrictions, such as the .22 long rifle MAC upper made 
by 'Flemming,' (1) all of them would fire in fully automatic mode until 
the ammunition supply was exhausted, (2) there would be no way for the 
shooter to stop fire," he wrote.

Now the BATFE has responded to Savage's request for a review and 
re-classification of his gun part.

"AFT stands by the criteria and methods used to classify your firearm as 
a machine gun because it is designed to shoot automatically more than 
one shot, without manual reloading, buy a single function of the 
trigger," the letter from Spencer said.

"Additionally, it has the design features of a machine gun and, even if 
the qualifying features were removed, it would be readily restorable to 
shoot automatically as a machine gun. For these reasons, AFT will not 
grant your request for an alternative classification. No further 
evaluation is necessary, and none will be conducted for classification 
purposes," the letter said.

A BATFE official told WND today he could not comment on the situation 
because such disputes are considered confidential.

Savage told WND that he got the letter yesterday, and was given until 
today to get the firearm registered as a machine gun. However, his 
letter in response to the BATFE made clear he wasn't going to do that.

"Your claim that it was improperly registered based on your use and 
addition of separate devices not submitted by the company, that are NFA 
firearms themselves, conversion devices, is self serving and specious," 
he wrote.

"With all due respect … the firearm now in your possession was designed 
by the company with specific intent to prevent it from being readily 
converted to shoot more than one shot with a single function of the 
trigger, your use of a separate conversion device in testing proves 
this," he said.

"It is axiomatic that one must completely ignore the plain meaning of 
the verb 'restore' to accept your interpretation of the 'readily 
restorable' phrase as it appears in your letter. It raises the 
metaphysical question of whether a thing that never existed or never has 
been can be restored," he said.

Savage earlier told WND 
<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69668>
he works with 
classic and historic firearms but also with designing gun components for 
various makers. His current proposal was a part that would have allowed 
the use of a cheaper ammunition in an existing class of machine guns in 
the U.S., which are used by police and military agents.

He alleges he's being targeted by the BATFE because of his testimony 
against the government when David Olofson of Berlin, Wis., was on trial 
for loaning to an acquaintance a gun that misfired.

His testimony in the Olofson case 
<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68590>
harshly 
criticized the government's weapons testing procedures. In that case, 
the defendant was convicted and sentenced to 30 months in jail for 
loaning a rifle that misfired, letting off three bullets at one time.

The government then classified it a machine gun, and convicted Olofson 
of "transferring" such a weapon. He surrendered to federal authorities 
just a few weeks ago to begin serving his term, prompting the Gun Owners 
of America <http://www.gunowners.org>
to issue a warning about the 
owner's liability should any semi-automatic weapon ever misfire.

"A gun that malfunctions is not a machine gun," Larry Pratt, executive 
director of GOA, said. "What the [federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, 
Firearms and Explosives] has done in the Olofson case has set a 
precedent that could make any of the millions of Americans that own 
semi-automatic firearms suddenly the owner [of] an unregistered machine 
gun at the moment the gun malfunctions."

When U.S. District Judge Charles Clevert 
<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65455>
imposed the 
sentence, a commentary in Guns Magazine 
<http://gunsmagazine.com/DGR0708.html>
said, "It didn't matter the rifle 
in question had not been intentionally modified for select fire, or that 
it did not have an M16 bolt carrier … that it did not show any signs of 
machining or drilling, or that that model had even been recalled a few 
years back."

"It didn't matter the government had repeatedly failed to replicate 
automatic fire until they replaced the ammunition with a softer primer 
type. It didn't even matter that the prosecution admitted it was not 
im****tant to prove the gun would do it again if the test were conducted 
today," the magazine said. "What mattered was the government's position 
that none of the above was relevant because '[T]here's no indication it 
makes any difference under the statute. If you pull the trigger once and 
it fires more than one round, no matter what the cause it's a machine
gun.'

"No matter what the cause."

Savage told WND shortly after the trial one of the government witnesses 
against Olofson within the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and 
Explosives <http://www.atf.treas.gov/press/contacts.htm>
was transferred 
to a position of overseeing Savage's work.

At an online forum run by David Codrea on weapons issues, 
<http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2008/07/duct-tape-plastic-ties-and-chains.html>

the comments were one-sided.

"Uh-oh. I have plastic ties and duct tape, and a semi-auto rifle. There 
may be an old chain somewhere in the yard or the basement," one 
contributor said.

Savage, who holds a federal license to make guns of all types, said, 
"This is what they do to anybody who speaks about against them."

He said even the agency's offer in its most recent letter could be 
viewed as suspicious.

"What is noteworthy is ... contained in the last paragraph: 'Although 
the time to register this firearm is past ... AFT is allowing you [to 
register it now],'" he told WND.

"AFT acknowledges that this would be an unlawful act. Not [to] mention 
the Notice of manufacture ATF form 2 that was sent in April is 'executed 
under the penalties of perjury,'" he continued. "In short it would be 
improper [unlawful] for me to accept AFT terms. It was a trap in hopes I 
would take their advice, then I get charged with perjury, false 
statements, and other unlawful acts."
 




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Gunmaker to feds: Make my day!
"Cole Firearms Inc.&  2008-07-18 13:24:49 
Re: Gunmaker to feds: Make my day!
Bert Hyman <bert@[EMAI  2008-07-18 19:55:40 

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