Re: England's getting odder.

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:21:47 GMT, "Blinky Bill" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>"Bill Smith" <quandary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:04:43 GMT, "Blinky Bill" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>"Bill Smith" <quandary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:35:48 GMT, "Blinky Bill" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>"John Wetton" <Asia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080717/tuk-more-than-350-knife-crimes-a-day-45dbed5.html
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>>>>>> Too bad they can't shoot back.
>>>>>
>>>>>In England and Wales, 258 murder victims were killed with knives. In
the
>>>>>US,
>>>>>1822 were killed with knives. Given the relative populations, the 
>>>>>ability
>>>>>to
>>>>>shoot back doesn't seem to have made much difference.
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>>>> How many of those 1822 victims actually had the wherewithal to shoot
>>>> back? Most murders occur in our major population centers where it's
>>>> difficult if not impossible to get a CCL.
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>>>Wiki says that 39 states have "shall issue" laws, so I don't know the 
>>>basis
>>>for your claim that it is difficult if not impossible to get a CCL in 
>>>major
>>>population centres.
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>> Los Angeles area, Chicago, New York City, San Francisco bay area,
>> Wa****ngton DC, etc. It's either impossible, or nearly so to get a CCL.
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>Evidence would be something more than your assertion.
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>> This is where most of the crime occurs and where it's the most
>> difficult to to get the means to defend yourself.
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>Most crime occurs in the major population centres because that's where
most 
>people live.
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>>The other thing is only
>> a very small percentage of those who are eligible in States that have
>> shall issue have availed themselves of the op****tunity.
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>But according to Lott the bad guys are deterred by not knowing who is 
>carrying.

There has to be a larger percentage of eligible people carrying for
this to be credible. 

>> If you assume
>> that a majority of Americans are legally armed, or even a substantial
>> number in places where most of the crime occurs, you would be wrong.
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>According to Lott that doesn't matter - it's the increased risk that
deters 
>bad guys.

I can't speak for Lott, I don't agree with him. I don't think there
are enough people carrying to make a measurable difference in crime
overall. 

                                                Bill Smith