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Re: Why Iran needs Nukes -- Amerikkkans like Gray Ghost Frank = Utterly Pig-Ignorant about History ....... Felons say Supreme Court's ruling means they cannot be barred from owning guns

by "Reality_Check©" <Reality@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 27, 2008 at 11:55 PM

"Miguel A. González" <miguel.gonzalez@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:59:56 -0600, "Reality_Check©"
> <Reality@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Miguel A. González" <miguel.gonzalez@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>news:gi5q84h26aqpg5593okan9trhb7orenm9l@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:55:05 -0600, "Reality_Check©"
>>> <Reality@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>"Miguel A. González" <miguel.gonzalez@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>news:v3tn84919he5mq0i9udadafmmoi7cokec7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:08:43 -0600, "Reality_Check©"
>>>>> <Reality@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Mr. Albritton" <albritton77@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:negn84l8qdec1t49uojau0nufi5f4sol0s@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:08:01 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Reality_Check©" <Reality@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>news:6f1gp9F9cc80U1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Alex W." <ingilt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>> news:6f0j8cF928j0U1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Deadrat" <a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:Mqoik.13409$LG4.8415@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> American "qualms" stopped the use of nuclear weapons in Korea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It may also have had something to do with the fact that by that
>>>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union was also a nuclear power ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which begs the argument that Nuclear Proliferation is a "good"
>>>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>>>> and explains why Iran needs nukes for their sovereign defense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nothing wrong with nuclear deterrent, except for two reasons:
first,
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>consequences of human error would be catastrophic in the extreme.
>>>>>>>>Secondly,
>>>>>>>>it cannot be guaranteed that control of the nuclear arsenal
remains
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>marginally sane and rational people.  For a truly stool-loosening
>>>>>>>>scenario,
>>>>>>>>consider the not altogether unlikely prospect that Pakistan's
>>>>>>>>government
>>>>>>>>will be taken over by religious fundamentalists of the same
calibre 
>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>Taliban, more in love with the destructive aspect of their god
than
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>preserving Mankind ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yea, we have military personnel falling asleep with launch codes 
>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>> season.  Our military is undisciplined and the standards lowered
to
>>>>>>> unacceptable levels.  No one wants to fight Americas pet wars
except
>>>>>>> those who are already crazy, derelict, gun happy, with no
direction 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> their lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>i.e. the typical U$ Soldier
>>>>>>
>>>>> Neither you nor Kip (BTW, you're fooling no one by passing yourself
>>>>> off as Albritton) have served a single day in uniform.  You don't
know
>>>>> squat about the typical U.S. soldier, or airman, or sailor, or
marine.
>>>>> You should be grateful that time and time again, there are people
who
>>>>> are willing to sacrifice and do their duty to this Nation, so that
>>>>> idiots like you can enjoy the freedoms they protect.  Even more, you
>>>>> should be ashamed of yourselves.
>>>>
>>>>So why aren't you on the front lines fighting, eh coward?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Because I got bumped from the deployment schedule this year.
>>
>>Sure you did.
>>
>>So what's stopping you from getting you cowardly ass to the frontline
>>with any one of the many U$ Mercenary ("subcontractors") units?
>
> 1)  I'm still on active duty.
> 2) I've only started the job hunting process.
> 3) I'll probably end up working for a military contractor either way.
>
> You're one to talk about being a coward.  Never served a day in your
> life and yet you call me a coward.

What's with this "served" bull****, eh stooge?

Do you not get paid $ ?


>I wear the uniform proudly and am
> willing to go wherever they need me to go.

Like an ignorant droid.


>>
>>That way YOU can fight and die for the criminal Bu$h mob's neo-con lies,
>
> IOW, anything that doesn't jive with your marxist ideology is a
> "neocon" (whatever the **** that means) lie.  Okay, what are those
> "neocon" lies you so much talk about.  What lies did Bush tell?

LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear 
weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum 
tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to 
enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in 
Cincinnati.

FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly re****ted by Judith Miller in 
the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of 
Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the tubes could not be 
used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst, who was part of the 
tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior
American 
officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum
really 
is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's just a
lie."

LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently 
sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, 
Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

FACT: This whopper was based on a do***ent that the White House already
knew 
to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by some 
hustler, the do***ent carried the signature of an official who had been
out 
of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was no longer in

effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out the story is
pissed: 
"They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told the New Republic, 
anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum
tubes 
and added this to make their case more strongly."

LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear 
weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."

FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA
re****ts 
up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.

LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid re****ting of senior-level contacts 
between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George
Tenet 
in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's 
speech by President Bush.

FACT: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and 
al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing
relation****p. 
In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun the 
intelligence180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it suggested.

LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in
bomb-making 
and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the 
Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." --  
President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin Powell 
told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in northern Iraq.

To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was later revealed to be

outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied war planes.

LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a 
growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to

disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are
concerned 
that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles]

for missions targeting the United States." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000 miles 
from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building program wasn't

much more advanced than your average model plane enthusiast. And isn't a 
"manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to say "plane"?

LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have
chemical 
and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're

weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control 
arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a

national radio address.

FACT: Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces,
there 
are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being deployed in the

field, or anywhere else during the war.

LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of 
between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill

16,000 battlefield rockets." -- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 
2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.

FACT: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive 
stockpile has been found, as previously re****ted on AlterNet the United 
States' own intelligence re****ts show that these stocks -- if they 
existed -- were well past their use-by date and therefore useless as
weapon 
fodder.

LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit

and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of 
Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.

FACT: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west, 
south or north, somewhat or otherwise.

LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN 
prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published 
internationally June 1, 2003.

FACT: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers 
that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But 
British and American experts -- including the State Department's 
intelligence wing in a re****t released this week -- have since declared
this 
to be untrue. According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony 
Blair's embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said
they 
were; facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British 
themselves.

So, months after the war, we are once again where we started -- with
plenty 
of rhetoric and absolutely no proof of this "grave danger" for which O.J. 
Smith died. The Bush administration is now scrambling to place the blame
for 
its lies on faulty intelligence, when in fact the intelligence was fine;
it 
was their abuse of it that was "faulty."

Rather than apologize for leading us to a preemptive war based on
impossibly 
faulty or shamelessly distorted "intelligence" or offering his
resignation, 
our sly madman in the White House is starting to sound more like that
other 
O.J. Like the man who cheerfully played golf while promising to pursue
"the 
real killers," Bush is now vowing to search for "the true extent of Saddam

Hussein's weapons programs, no matter how long it takes."

On the terrible day of the 9/11 attacks, five hours after a hijacked plane

slammed into the Pentagon, retired Gen. Wesley Clark received a strange
call 
from someone (he didn't name names) representing the White House position:

"I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say this is

connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to 
Saddam Hussein,'" Clark told Meet the Press anchor Tim Russert. "I said, 
'But -- I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never got 
any evidence.'"
And neither did we.

==========

> What crimes did he commit?

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ) Criminal No.Plaintiff, )) Conspiracy to 
Defraudv. ) the United States)GEORGE W. BUSH, ) 18 U.S.C. Section
371RICHARD 
B. CHENEY, )CONDOLEEZZA RICE, )DONALD M. RUMSFELD, and )COLIN 
POWELL, )Defendants )INDICTMENTTHE GRAND JURY CHARGES:Introductory 
AllegationsAt times relevant to this Indictment:1. The primary law of the 
United States FederalGovernment was set forth in the U.S. 
Constitution("Constitution"), which provides that the first branchof 
government is the Legislative Branch ("Congress").

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Pursuant to Article I, Section 8, Congress has certainpowers and
obligations 
regarding oversight of foreignaffairs, including the powers to: (1)
declare 
war; (2)raise and sup****t the armed forces; and (3) tax andspend for the 
common good.2. Article II of the Constitution establishes the 
ExecutiveBranch. The Executive Power of the United States isvested in the 
President, who is also the Commander inChief of the Armed Services.3. 
Defendant GEORGE W. BUSH ("BUSH") has beenemployed as President of the 
United States sinceJanuary 20, 2001. On that day, BUSH took 
aconstitutionally mandated oath to faithfully executethe Office of
President 
and to preserve, protect, anddefend the Constitution. BUSH is also 
constitutionallyobligated to take care that the laws be 
faithfullyexecuted.4. As Chief Executive, BUSH exercised 
authority,direction, and control over the entire ExecutiveBranch, which 
includes the White House, the Officeof the Vice President, the Departments

of State,Defense, and others, and the National SecurityCouncil.5.
Defendant 
RICHARD B. CHENEY ("CHENEY") hasbeen employed as Vice President of the 
United Statessince January 20, 2001.6. Defendant CONDOLEEZZA RICE ("RICE")

wasemployed as the National Security Adviser fromJanuary 2001 to January 
2005, when she becameSecretary of State, a position she holds as of the 
dateof this indictment. As National Security Adviser,RICE exercised 
direction, control, and authority overthe National Security Council, which

coordinatesvarious national security and foreign policy agencies,including

the Departments of Defense and State.7. Defendant DONALD M. RUMSFELD 
("RUMSFELD")has been employed as Secretary of Defense sinceJanuary 2001.8.

Defendant COLIN M. POWELL ("POWELL") wasemployed as Secretary of State
from 
January 2001through January of 2005.9. Before assuming their offices, 
CHENEY, RICE,RUMSFELD and POWELL took an oath to preserve,protect, and 
defend the Constitution.10. As employees of the Executive Branch, 
BUSH,CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD, and POWELL weregoverned by Executive Orders 
12674 and 12731.These Orders provide that Executive Branchemployees hold 
their positions as a public trust andthat the American people have a right

to expect thatthey will fulfill that trust in accordance with
certainethical 
standards and principles. These include abidingby the Constitution and
laws 
of the United States, aswell as not using their offices to further private

goalsand interests.11. Pursuant to the Constitution, their oaths of
office, 
theirstatus as Executive Branch employees, and theirpresence in the United

States, BUSH, CHENEY,RICE, RUMSFELD, and POWELL, and theirsubordinates and

employees, are required to obeyTitle 18, United States Code, Section 371, 
whichprohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States.12. As used in 
Section 371, the term "to defraud the UnitedStates" means "to interfere
with 
or obstruct one of itslawful government functions by deceit, craft, 
trickery,or at least by means that are dishonest." The term alsomeans to 
"impair, obstruct, or defeat the lawfulfunction of any department of 
government" by the useof "false or fraudulent pretenses or 
representations."13. A "false" or "fraudulent" representation is one that 
is:(a) made with knowledge that it is untrue; (b) a half-truth; (c) made 
without a reasonable basis or withreckless indifference as to whether it
is, 
in fact, true orfalse; or (d) literally true, but intentionally
presentedin 
a manner reasonably calculated to deceive a personof ordinary prudence and

intelligence. The knowingconcealment or omission of information that 
areasonable person would consider im****tant indeciding an issue also 
constitutes fraud.14. Congress is a "department of the United States" 
withinthe meaning of Section 371. In addition, hearingsregarding funding
for 
military action andauthorization to use military force are
"lawfulfunctions" 
of Congress.15. Accordingly, the presentation of information toCongress
and 
the general public through deceit, craft,trickery, dishonest means, and 
fraudulentrepresentations, including lies, half-truths, materialomissions,

and statements made with recklessindifference to their truth or falsity, 
while knowingand intending that such fraudulent representationswould 
influence Congress' decisions regardingauthorization to use military force

and funding formilitary action, constitutes interfering with,obstructing, 
impairing, and defeating a lawfulgovernment function of a department of
the 
UnitedStates within the meaning of Section 371.The Conspiracy to Defraud 
theUnited States16. Beginning on or about a date unknown, but no laterthan

August of 2002, and continuing to the present, inthe District of Columbia 
and elsewhere, thedefendants,GEORGE W. BUSH,RICHARD B. CHENEY,

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CONDOLEEZZA RICE,DONALD M. RUMSFELD, andCOLIN M. POWELL,and others known
and 
unknown, did knowingly andintentionally conspire to defraud the United 
States byusing deceit, craft, trickery, dishonest means, false
andfraudulent 
representations, including ones madewithout a reasonable basis and with 
recklessindifference to their truth or falsity, and omitting tostate 
material facts necessary to make theirrepresentations truthful, fair and 
accurate, whileknowing and intending that their false and 
fraudulentrepresentations would influence the public and thedeliberations
of 
Congress with regard to authorizationof a preventive war against Iraq, 
thereby defeating,obstructing, impairing, and interfering with 
Congress'lawful functions of overseeing foreign affairs andmaking 
appropriations.17. The Early Months of the Bush-Cheney
Administration:Prior 
to January of 2001, BUSH, CHENEY, andRUMSFELD each demonstrated a 
predisposition toemploy U.S. military force to invade the Middle 
East,including, specifically, to forcibly remove SaddamHussein.18. Since 
1992, CHENEY has endorsed a "bold foreignpolicy" that includes using 
military force to "punish"or "threaten to punish" possible aggressors in 
order toprotect the United States's access to Persian Gulf oiland to halt 
proliferation of weapons of massdestruction ("WMD"), a term that is 
customarily usedto describe chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons.19.
On 
or about January 26, 1998, RUMSFELD and sevenother future BUSH-CHENEY 
administrationappointees signed a letter sent by a conservativepolicy 
institute named "Project for a New AmericanCentury" ("PNAC") to then 
President WilliamClinton, which called for U.S. military action toforcibly

remove Saddam Hussein from power.20. In January 1999, BUSH named RICE and 
her futureDeputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley("Hadley"), as
his 
presidential-campaign foreign-policy advisers, along with future Deputy 
Secretary ofDefense Paul Wolfowitz ("Wolfowitz") and fourothers who had 
publicly advocated forcibly removingSaddam Hussein.21. On or before 
September 2000, 12 future BUSH-CHENEY administration appointees, 
includingWolfowitz, former Assistant to Vice PresidentCHENEY, I. Lewis 
"Scooter" Libby, and Rumsfeld'slong-term aide Stephen Cambone,
participated 
indrafting "Rebuilding America's Defenses," a PNACpolicy statement which 
asserted that the "need for asubstantial American force presence in the 
Gulftranscends the issue of the regime of SaddamHussein." PNAC
acknowledged 
that its goals wouldtake a long time to achieve "absent some
catastrophicand 
catalyzing event--like a new Pearl Harbor."22. Once BUSH became the 
Republican candidate in the2000 presidential election campaign, he and 
CHENEYinformed the general public that they would bereluctant to use 
military force and did not believe thatthe United States should engage in 
"nation-building."23. On and after January 20, 2001, BUSH and CHENEYcaused

to be appointed as senior foreign policyadvisors and consultants, at least

thirty-four personswho had publicly endorsed the PNAC principles ofUnited 
States global preeminence and use of force to"punish" or "threaten to 
punish" emerging threatsfrom weapons of mass destruction ("WMD") 
orimpediments to United States access to oil in theMiddle East. Of those 
appointees, eighteen had alsopublicly advocated forcibly removing 
SaddamHussein.24. In late December 2000, BUSH and CHENEY advisedoutgoing 
President William J. Clinton and others that,among potential foreign
policy 
issues, BUSH'sprimary concern was Iraq.25. On February 11, 2001, BUSH 
ordered the firstairstrikes since 1998 to be conducted outside of
theUnited 
Nations ("UN") agreed-upon No-Fly zones, toget Saddam Hussein's 
"attention."26. The Attacks of September 11, 2001. On September 11,2001, 
nineteen men hijacked four commercialairplanes. They crashed two planes
into 
the WorldTrade Towers in New York City and another into thePentagon in 
Wa****ngton, DC. The fourth planecrashed in Pennsylvania. In total, nearly 
3,000 peopledied as a result of the September 11, 2001,
attacks("9/11").27. 
Shortly afterward, United States intelligence agenciesdetermined that 9/11

was the work of the terroristorganization al Qaeda, spearheaded by Osama 
BinLaden. Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were fromSaudi Arabia, two
from 
Yemen, and two fromLebanon. This information, along with the
conclusionthat 
no evidence linked the attacks to Saddam Husseinor al Qaeda, was
immediately 
communicated toBUSH, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD, POWELL,and others.28. 
BUSH-CHENEY administration members begandiscussing an invasion of Iraq 
immediately after 9/11.BUSH, RUMSFELD and others also assigned 
varioussubordinates, including former counterterrorism czarRichard Clarke,

CIA Director George Tenet, andGeneral Richard Meyers to look for 
intelligence thatcould justify attacking Saddam Hussein's regime.

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29. On September 17, 2001, BUSH secretly ordered theformulation of 
preliminary plans for an invasion ofIraq, while admitting to his aides
that 
no evidenceexisted to justify an attack.30. On or about September 18,
2001, 
in response toBUSH's request, Clarke sent RICE a memo thatstated: (a) the 
case for linking Hussein to 9/11 wasweak; (b) only anecdotal evidence
linked 
Hussein toal Qaeda; (c) Osama Bin Laden resented thesecularism of Saddam 
Hussein; and (d) there was noconfirmed re****ting of Saddam cooperating
with 
BinLaden on unconventional weapons.31. On September 20, 2001, BUSH
informed 
British PrimeMinister Tony Blair that after Afghanistan, the UnitedStates 
and Britain should return to the issue ofinvading Iraq.32. U.S.
Intelligence 
Community *****sments of Riskfrom Iraq in Effect on November 2001. On 
occasion,Executive Branch officials request *****sments ofcurrent 
intelligence on risks posed by WMD in agiven country. Although such 
*****sments arecoordinated by the Central Intelligence Agency("CIA"), the 
final product incor****ates the analyses,including dissenting opinions, of 
the intelligencebranches of the Departments of State, Energy,Defense, the 
National Security Agency, and others,which are collectively called the 
IntelligenceCommunity ("IC").33. As of November 2001, the most recent 
*****sment onIraq was a December 2000 classified IntelligenceCommunity 
*****sment ("ICA") called "Iraq: SteadilyPursuing WMD Capabilities." This 
ICA was acomprehensive update on possible Iraqi efforts torebuild WMD and 
weapons delivery systems after the1998 departure of International Atomic 
EnergyAgency ("IAEA") representatives and UN weaponsinspectors, who are 
collectively referred to as theUnited Nations Special Commission 
("UNSCOM").34. Regarding Iraq's possible nuclear program, theDecember 2000

NIE unanimously concluded that:(a) The IAEA and UNSCOM had destroyed or 
neutralizedIraq's nuclear infrastructure, but Iraq still had afoundation
for 
future nuclear reconstitution;(b) Iraq was continuing low-level
theoretical 
researchand training, and attempting to obtain dual-use itemsthat cold be 
used to reconstitute its nuclear program;(c) if Iraq acquired a
significant 
quantity of fissilematerial through foreign assistance, it could have
acrude 
nuclear weapon within a year; if Iraq receivedforeign assistance, it would

take five to seven years toproduce enough weapons-grade fissile material
for 
anuclear weapon; and(d) Iraq did not appear to have reconstituted
itsnuclear 
weapons program.35. Escalation of Military Activity and Planning
forInvasion 
of Iraq. On November 21, 2001, BUSHsecretly ordered preparation of a
formal 
war plan forinvading Iraq. Thereafter, for sixteen months, theBUSH-CHENEY 
administration expended substantialU.S. government funds in military 
activity andplanning for invasion of Iraq, all without notice to,
orapproval 
by, the U.S. Congress.36. BUSH did not receive an extensive briefing 
aboutpossible WMD in Iraq before ordering a war plan, nordid he discuss
the 
legitimacy of grounds for war withanyone. BUSH received no such briefing 
untilDecember 21, 2002.37. On or about November 27, 2001, RUMSFELD 
askedGeneral "Tommy" Franks, head of Central Command,which supervises
Middle 
East operations, toimmediately prepare an Iraq war plan in response
toBUSH's 
order.38. Thereafter, Franks discussed numerous revised Iraqwar plans with

RUMSFELD. Between December2001 and August 2002, BUSH, CHENEY,
RICE,RUMSFELD, 
POWELL, and others held at least fivelengthy meetings about Franks' plans.

In August,BUSH ordered Franks to prepare to invade Iraq usingthe "Hybrid 
Plan," a combination of the "RunningStart" and "Generated Start" plans 
developedpreviously.39. During 2002, the United States and Great 
Britainincreased air strikes in order to degrade Iraqi airdefenses and
began 
deploying troops to areas aroundIraq.40. On or about July 30, 2002,
without 
approval by, ornotice to, Congress, BUSH caused the diversion of$700
million 
from Afghanistan war funds into Iraqinvasion preparations.41. On September

5, 2002, without approval by, or noticeto, Congress, BUSH caused 
approximately 100 UnitedStates and British aircraft to launch ballistic 
missilesat Iraq's major western air-defense facility.42. By September 12, 
2002, without approval by, or noticeto, Congress, BUSH had caused the 
movement of40,000 military personnel and over 350,000 tons ofequipment to 
areas around Iraq. Franks also orderedCentral Command to be moved to Al 
Udeid Air Basenear Doha, Qatar.43. Behind-the-Scenes Strategizing with 
British Officials:On or before March 2002, BUSH, RICE, Wolfowitz,and
others 
secretly began discussing ways to persuadethe public and foreign allies to

accept Bush's goal ofinvading Iraq, with British Prime Minister Tony 
Blair("Blair") and his advisers.44. On March 12, 2002, in Wa****ngton, DC, 
RICE metwith Blair's Foreign Policy Adviser Sir David

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Manning and informed him of BUSH's problems withpersuading "international 
opinion that military actionagainst Iraq was necessary and justified."45.
On 
March 17, 2002, in Wa****ngton, DC, BritishAmbassador Sir Christopher Meyer

advisedWolfowitz that the two countries should "wrongfoot"Saddam Hussein
by 
seeking a UN resolution thatwould require the readmission of weapons 
inspectorswith the expectation that Saddam would create ajustification for

war by obstructing the inspections.46. On April 6, 2002, in Crawford,
Texas, 
BUSH and Blairdiscussed strategies to sway public opinion
regardingmilitary 
action in Iraq. Blair agreed to sup****t aUnited States invasion if the two

countries obtained aUN resolution first.47. In mid-July, 2002, in 
Wa****ngton, DC, White Houseofficials discussed Iraq with visiting British 
officials.Upon their return to London, these officials re****tedthe talks
to 
Blair in a meeting at 10 Downing St. onJuly 23, 2002. Among other things, 
Blair's adviserssuggested that he urge BUSH to devise a morerealistic 
political strategy for attacking Iraq, because adesire for "regime change"

would not justify militaryaction under international law.48. In mid-July, 
2002, in Wa****ngton, DC, CIA DirectorTenet and others talked about the 
Bushadministration's intentions regarding Iraq with SirRichard Dearlove,
the 
head of British Intelligence.49. On July 23, 2002, during the Downing St. 
meetingdescribed above, Dearlove informed Blair that in theUnited States 
"Military action was now seen asinevitable. BUSH wanted to remove Saddam, 
throughmilitary action, justified by the conjunction ofterrorism and WMD. 
But the intelligence and factswere being fixed around the policy."50. On 
July 23, 2002, British Foreign Secretary Jack Strawalso noted that BUSH
had 
"made up his mind to takemilitary action." Straw said he would urge
POWELLto 
persuade BUSH to seek a UN resolution requiringSaddam Hussein to readmit 
weapons inspectors, ineffect, suggesting the "wrongfooting" strategy 
thatMeyer had described to Wolfowitz.51. Behind-the-Scenes Efforts to Fix 
Intelligence Aroundthe Policy. Within weeks after learning from 
Clarke,Tenet, and others that Iraq and Saddam Hussein hadno involvement
with 
either 9/11 or al Qaeda,RUMSFELD caused Deputy Undersecretary forDefense 
Douglas Feith ("Feith") to secretly create theCounter Terrorism Group 
("CTEG"), a small unit ofpolitical appointees whose mission was to find 
linksbetween Iraq and al Qaeda by reviewing rawintelligence that
previously 
had been discarded asunreliable. CTEG re****ted weekly to
RUMSFELD'slong-term 
associate Stephen Cambone, andoccasionally presented information directly 
toWolfowitz, thereby cir***venting standard ICprocedures.52. At some time
in 
2002, Feith also designated politicalappointees to work under his 
supervision in thenewly-created Office of Special Plans, whose purposewas
to 
develop and package information for use inmarketing the President's plan
for 
an invasion of Iraq.In the fall of 2002, this group presented 
informationdirectly to RUMSFELD, to RICE's office, and toCHENEY's office, 
thereby cir***venting standard ICprocedures.53. In the spring of 2002, 
CHENEY and his former aide, I.Lewis "Scooter" Libby, began visiting 
CIAheadquarters to question CIA agents' *****smentsabout Iraq. RUMSFELD
and 
Deputy NationalSecurity Adviser Hadley also repeatedly pressed CIADirector

Tenet and his subordinates to present astronger case against Iraq.54.
Bush's 
Creation of the White House Iraq Group. By thesummer of 2002, domestic and

international sup****tfor BUSH's plan to invade Iraq was lukewarm. At
thesame 
time, Bush's chief political strategist and SeniorAdviser Karl Rove and 
Kenneth Mehlman, head of theWhite House Office of Strategic Initiatives, 
werebeginning to coordinate the President's involvement inthe November 7, 
2002, congressional election. Theiroverall goal was to gain Republican 
majorities in bothhouses of Congress so that the President would havethe 
greatest possible sup****t for his policies. Rove hadspecifically
recommended 
that Republicans "focus onwar" as a way to win elections. Consequently, in

thesummer of 2002, BUSH's efforts to win sup****t for aninvasion of Iraq
and 
his efforts to assist Republicancongressional candidates became 
inextricablyintertwined.55. In the summer of 2002, BUSH caused the
creation 
ofthe White House Iraq Group, which was cochaired byBUSH's long-term 
political operatives Karl Rove andKaren Hughes, who remained BUSH's close 
associateeven though she had resigned her position asCounselor to the 
President. This team, also calledWHIG, was largely a political and 
public-relationsentity that included RICE, Hadley, President's Chiefof
Staff 
Andrew Card, President's legislative liaisonNicholas Calio, CHENEY's key 
aide and veteranRepublican political strategist Mary Matalin,CHENEY's
senior 
adviser Libby, and JamesWilkinson, another Republican campaign 
consultant.56. On or about September 6, 2002, Rove and Cardpublicly 
announced that: (a) the BUSH-CHENEYadministration was beginning to "roll 
out" its case foran invasion of Iraq; (b) its public-relations campaignwas

specifically directed at forcing Congress to pass a

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resolution authorizing the President to use militaryforce in Iraq; (c)
BUSH 
wanted the resolution passedin about five weeks, before the 2002 election;

and (d)in the end, it would be difficult for any legislator tovote against

it.57. The Defendants' Massive Fraud to "Market" aninvasion of Iraq. On or

about September 4, 2002,BUSH staged a photo op****tunity with a 
bipartisangroup of congressional leaders, after which he falselyand 
fraudulently announced that Iraq posed a seriousthreat to the safety of
the 
United States and the world,while concealing from Congress and the 
Americanpeople the material facts that: (a) he had no reasonablebasis 
whatsoever for his assertion; (b) he had neverdiscussed the legitimacy of 
the grounds for an attackagainst Iraq with anyone; (c) he had never 
extensivelyreviewed existing intelligence regarding any possiblethreat
from 
Iraq; (d) he had not requested an updatedintelligence *****sment on Iraq; 
(e) the United Statesintelligence *****sment then in effect stated that 
Iraqhad neither nuclear weapons nor a nuclear weaponsprogram; and (f) the
IC 
had consistently re****ted thatIraq had no involvement in 9/11 and no 
relation****pwith al Qaeda.58. On September 4, 2002, BUSH also falsely 
andfraudulently claimed he was beginning an "opendialogue" with the
American 
public, with Congress,and with United States allies to decide how to 
respondto Iraq, while concealing the material facts that he: (a)had 
requested a formal plan to invade Iraq nearly ayear before; (b) had been 
conducting significantmilitary and nonmilitary planning and attacks 
againstIraq for a year; (c) had directed significant militarydeployment to

areas around Iraq; (d) was planning amassive air assault against Iraq's
air 
defense facilityfor the next day; and (e) intended to work with the UNonly

to create a justification to use military forceagainst Iraq.59.
Thereafter, 
the defendants and WHIG executed acalculated and wide-ranging strategy to 
deceiveCongress and the American people by makinghundreds of false and 
fraudulent representations thatwere only half-true, or literally true but 
misleading; byconcealing material facts; and by making statementswithout a

reasonable basis and with recklessindifference to their truth, regarding, 
among otherthings:(a) their true intent to invade Iraq;(b) the extent of 
military buildup and force usedagainst Iraq without notice to or approval 
byCongress;(c) their true purpose in seeking a Congressionalresolution 
authorizing the use of military force againstIraq;(d) their true intent to

use their involvement in seekinga UN resolution requiring Iraq to
cooperate 
withweapons inspectors as a sham; and(e) their claimed justifications for 
invading Iraq,including but not limited to:* The alleged connection
between 
Saddam Husseinand the attacks of September 11, 2001;* The alleged
connection 
between Iraq and al Qaeda;* The alleged connection between Saddam
Husseinand 
any terrorists whose primary animus was directedtowards the United
States;* 
Saddam Hussein's alleged intent to attack the UnitedStates in any way;. 
Saddam Hussein's possession of nuclear weaponsand the status of any
alleged 
ongoing nuclear weaponsprograms;* The lack of any reasonable basis for 
asserting withcertainty that Saddam Hussein was activelymanufacturing 
chemical and biological weapons; and*The alleged urgency of any threat
posed 
to theUnited States by Saddam Hussein.60. Congressional Joint Resolution
to 
Authorize Use ofForce Against Iraq. As a result of the defendants'
falseand 
fraudulent "marketing" of the President's plan toinvade Iraq, on October
11, 
2002, the U.S Congress,acting pursuant to its Article I constitutional 
authorityto oversee and authorize use of military force, passeda 
Congressional Joint Resolution to Authorize Use ofForce Against Iraq ["the

Resolution"] which stated:The President is authorized to use the Armed 
Forces of theUnited States as he determines to be necessary andappropriate

in order to--(a) defend the national security of the United Statesagainst 
the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and(b) enforce all relevant United 
Nations SecurityCouncil resolutions regarding Iraq.61. The Resolution 
required the President to, either beforeor within 48 hours after
exercising 
the authority to useforce, make available to the Senate and the House 
ofRepresentatives his determination that:(a) reliance by the United States

on further diplomatic orother peaceful means alone either (1) will 
notadequately protect the national security of the UnitedStates against
the 
continuing threat posed by Iraq or(2) is not likely to lead to enforcement

of all relevantUnited Nations Security Council resolutions regardingIraq; 
and(b) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with theUnited 
States and other countries continuing to takethe necessary actions against

international terroristsand terrorist organizations, including those 
nations,organizations or persons who planned, authorized,committed or
aided 
the terrorists attacks that occurredon September 11, 2001.

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62. The Resolution also required the President to, at leastevery 60 days, 
present Congress a re****t on "mattersrelevant to this joint
resolution."63. 
In furtherance of the above-described conspiracy, thedefendants and their 
coconspirators committed andcaused to be committed the following overt 
acts:Overt ActsA. On December 9, 2001, CHENEY announced on NBC'sMeet the 
Press that "it was pretty well confirmed" thatlead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed 
Atta had met the head ofIraqi intelligence in Prague in April 2001, 
whichstatement was, as CHENEY well knew, made withoutreasonable basis and 
with reckless disregard for thetruth, because it was based on a single 
witness'suncorroborated allegation that had not been fullyinvestigated by 
U.S. intelligence agencies.B. On July 15, 2002, POWELL stated on Ted 
Koppel'sNightline: "What we have consistently said is that thePresident
has 
no plan on his desk to invade Iraq at themoment, nor has one been
presented 
to him, nor havehis advisors come together to put a plan to him,"which 
statement was deliberately false and misleadingin that it deceitfully 
implied the President was notplanning an invasion of Iraq when, as POWELL 
wellknew, the President was close to finalizing detailedmilitary plans for

such an invasion that he had orderedmonths previously.C. On August 26,
2002, 
CHENEY made numerous falseand fraudulent statements including: "Simply 
statedthere is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now hasweapons of mass 
destruction. There is no doubt thathe is amassing them to use against our 
friends, againstour allies, and against us," when, as CHENEY wellknew,
this 
statement was made without reasonablebasis and with reckless indifference
to 
the truth in thatthe IC's then prevailing *****sment was that Iraq 
hadneither nuclear weapons nor a reconstituted nuclearweapons program.D.
On 
September 7, 2002, appearing publicly with Blair,BUSH claimed a recent
IAEA 
re****t stated that Iraqwas "six months away from developing a 
[nuclear]weapon" and "I don't know what more evidence weneed," which 
statements were made without basis andwith reckless indifference to the 
truth in that: (1) theIAEA had not even been present in Iraq since
1998;and 
(2) the re****t the IAEA did write in 1998 hadconcluded there was no 
indication that Iraq had thephysical capacity to produce weapons-usable 
nuclearmaterial or that it had attempted to obtain suchmaterial.E. On 
September 8, 2002, on Late Edition with WolfBlitzer, RICE asserted that 
Saddam Hussein wasacquiring aluminum tubes that were "only suited" 
fornuclear centrifuge use, which statement wasdeliberately false and 
fraudulent, and made withreckless indifference to the truth in that it 
omitted tostate the following material facts: (1) the U.S.intelligence 
community was deeply divided about thelikely use of the tubes; (2) there 
were at least fifteenintelligence re****ts written since April 2001 that 
castdoubt on the tubes' possible nuclear-related use; and(3) the U.S. 
Department of Energy nuclear weapon***perts had concluded, after analyzing

the tubes'sspecifications and the cir***stances of the Iraqis'attempts to 
procure them, that the aluminum tubeswere not well suited for nuclear 
centrifuge use andwere more likely intended for artillery 
rocketproduction.F. On September 8, 2002, RUMSFELD stated on Face
theNation: 
"Imagine a September 11th, with weapons ofmass destruction. It's not three

thousand, it's tens ofthousands of innocent men, women and children,"which

statement was deliberately fraudulent andmisleading in that it implied 
without reasonable basisand in direct contradiction to then 
prevailingintelligence that Saddam Hussein had no operationalrelation****p 
with al Qaeda and was unlikely to provideweapons to terrorists.G. On 
September 19, 2002, RUMSFELD told the SenateArmed Services Committee that 
"no terrorist stateposes a greater or more immediate threat to thesecurity

of our people than the regime of SaddamHussein," which statement was, as 
Rumsfeld wellknew, made without reasonable basis and withreckless 
indifference to the truth in that: (1) Husseinhad not acted aggressively 
toward the United Statessince his alleged attempt to assassinate 
PresidentGeorge H. W. Bush in 1993; (2) Iraq's military forcesand
equipment 
were severely debilitated because ofUN sanctions imposed after the 1991
Gulf 
War; (3)the IC's opinion was that Iraq's sponsor****p ofterrorists was 
limited to ones whose hostility wasdirected toward Israel; and (4) Iran,
not 
Iraq, was themost active state sponsor of terrorism.H. On October 1, 2002,

the defendants caused the IC'supdated classified National Intelligence 
Estimate to bedelivered to Congress just hours before the beginningof
debate 
on the Authorization to Use Military Force.At the same time, the
defendants 
caused anunclassified "White Paper" to be published which wasfalse and 
misleading in many respects in that it failedto include qualifying
language 
and dissents thatsubstantially weakened their argument that Iraq poseda 
serious threat to the United States.I. On October 7, 2002, in Cincinnati, 
Ohio, BUSH madenumerous deliberately misleading statements to thenation, 
including stating that in comparison to Iranand North Korea, Iraq posed a 
uniquely serious threat,

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which statement BUSH well knew was false andfraudulent in that it omitted
to 
state the material factthat a State Department representative had 
beeninformed just three days previously that North Koreahad actually
already 
produced nuclear weapons. Thedefendants continued to conceal this 
information untilafter Congress passed the Authorization to UseMilitary 
Force against Iraq.J. Between September 1, 2002, and November 2, 2002,BUSH

traveled the country making in excess of thirtycongressional-campaign 
speeches in which he falselyand fraudulently asserted that Iraq was a 
"seriousthreat" which required immediate action, when as hewell knew, this

assertion was made withoutreasonable basis and with reckless indifference
to 
thetruth.K. In his January 28, 2003 State of the Union address,BUSH 
announced that the "British have recentlylearned that Iraq was seeking 
significant quantities ofuranium from Africa" which statement was 
fraudulentand misleading and made with reckless disregard forthe truth, in

that it falsely implied that the informationwas true, when the CIA had 
advised theadministration more than once that the allegation
wasunsup****ted 
by available intelligence.L. In a February 5, 2003, speech to the UN, 
POWELLfalsely implied, without reasonable basis and withreckless disregard

for the truth, that, among otherthings: (1) those who maintained that Iraq

waspurchasing aluminum tubes for rockets were alliedwith Saddam Hussein, 
even though POWELL wellknew that both Department of Energy nuclearweapons 
experts and State Department intelligenceanalysts had concluded that the 
tubes were not suitedfor nuclear centrifuge use; and (2) Iraq had an 
ongoingcooperative relation****p with al Qaeda, when he wellknew that no 
intelligence agency had reached thatconclusion.M. On March 18, 2003, BUSH 
sent a letter to the Speakerof the House of Representatives and the 
President ProTem****e of the Senate which asserted that furtherreliance on 
diplomatic and peaceful means alonewould not either: (1) adequately
protect 
United Statesnational security against the "continuing threat posedby
Iraq" 
or (2) likely lead to enforcement of allrelevant UN Security Council 
resolutions regardingIraq, which statement was made without
reasonablebasis 
and with reckless indifference to the truth inthat, as BUSH well knew, the

U.S. intelligencecommunity had never re****ted that Iraq posed anurgent 
threat to the United States and there was noevidence whatsoever to prove 
that Iraq had either themeans or intent to attack the U.S. directly 
orindirectly. The statement was also false because, asBUSH well knew, the
UN 
weapons inspectors had notfound any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq 
andwanted to continue the inspection process because itwas working well.N.

In the same March 18, 2003 letter, BUSH alsorepresented that taking action

pursuant to theResolution was "consistent with continuing to take 
thenecessary actions against international terrorists andterrorist 
organizations, including those nations,organizations or persons who
planned, 
authorized,committed, or aided the terrorists attacks that occurredon 
September 11, 2001," which statement was entirelyfalse and without 
reasonable basis in that, as BUSHwell knew, Iraq had no involvement with
al 
Qaeda orthe terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.All in violation of 
Title 18, United States Code, Section371.A TRUE BILL[Note: This is not an 
actual indictment]Assistant United States Attorney: Ladies and Gentlemen, 
we're going tospend the afternoon discussing the law that applies to your 
considerationof the indictment...The full discussion is omitted in this 
excerpt, but, in brief, this is thelegal question you will be deciding:Is 
there probable cause to believe that the defendants used deceit, 
craft,trickery, dishonest means -- including lies, false 
pretenses,misrepresentations, deliberate omissions, half-truths, false 
promises, andstatements made with reckless indifference to their truth --
to 
obstruct,impede, or interfere with Congress' lawful government function 
ofoverseeing foreign affairs, relating to the invasion of Iraq?We'll see
you 
all tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. Our witness tomorrow will bean FBI agent. She's 
from Boston, but we should be able to get bywithout a translator.Have a
good 
evening.END OF DAY ONE[Coming Thursday: Part 3 of United States v. George
W. 
Bush atTomdispatch.com - The Grand Jury Testimony]Elizabeth de la Vega is
a 
former federal prosecutor with more than 20years of experience. During her

tenure, she was a member of theOrganized Crime Strike Force and Chief of
the 
San Jose Branch of theU.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of 
California.
 




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Bama Brian <bamaNOTbri  2008-07-25 12:13:33 
Re: Amerikkkans like Bama Brian = Utterly Pig-Ignorant about His
grey_ghost471-newsgroups@  2008-07-25 14:23:34 
Re: Amerikkkans like Bama Brian = Utterly Pig-Ignorant about His
"Alex W." <i  2008-07-24 19:06:18 
Re: Amerikkkans like Bama Brian = Utterly Pig-Ignorant about His
grey_ghost471-newsgroups@  2008-07-24 20:29:06 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-17 13:49:55 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-17 15:03:24 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-17 20:26:22 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-17 20:26:27 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-17 13:54:37 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
tjab@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-08-17 23:12:26 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt, always
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-17 21:20:19 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-18 19:38:57 
Kunt Wills goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
<honestjohn@[EMAIL PRO  2008-08-18 22:13:36 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
tjab@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-08-19 07:33:06 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-19 16:35:59 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt, she jus
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-17 21:18:28 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-18 06:14:31 
Re: Moe + Kent = 2 Liars, 1 Cup !!
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-18 09:22:43 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
tjab@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-08-18 13:40:48 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-19 09:34:47 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-19 16:36:54 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-19 09:41:27 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-23 12:57:50 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-23 14:07:45 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-23 15:59:42 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-20 11:20:09 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-20 18:50:30 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
tjab@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-08-21 18:20:34 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-21 14:10:33 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
tjab@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-08-21 18:25:26 
tjab drowns in denial
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-22 12:26:26 
Re: tjab drowns in denial
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-22 17:56:07 
Re: foreverlyingcunt drowns in excrement
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-23 01:13:45 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-22 12:27:12 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-22 17:58:22 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-23 01:14:17 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-23 11:39:27 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-23 12:59:07 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-23 14:08:13 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-23 16:00:11 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-23 14:10:37 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-23 16:00:35 
Re: Gray Ghost Frank Exposes His Abject Bigotry and Racism Once
Benj <bjacoby@[EMAIL P  2008-07-24 10:26:52 
Re: Repugnant Racist Ben Jacoby smells fellow Bigot Gray Ghost's
"Reality_Check©"  2008-07-24 12:08:01 
Re: Gray Ghost Frank Exposes His Abject Bigotry and Racism Once
Max Muir <orb_at_cts_d  2008-07-24 11:53:48 
Re: Gray Ghost Frank Exposes His Abject Bigotry and Racism Once
grey_ghost471-newsgroups@  2008-07-24 20:15:41 
IMPERIALIST WARMONGER MAX MUIR SUPPORTS BOMBING INNOCENT NAZI
Max Muir <orb_at_cts_d  2008-07-24 21:19:11 
Re: IMPERIALIST WARMONGER MAX MUIR SUPPORTS BOMBING INNOCENT NAZ
grey_ghost471-newsgroups@  2008-07-25 08:39:19 
Re: Gray Ghost (Frank) on another bigoted racist rant -- More WO
Hiroshima Facts <hiros  2008-07-30 00:51:06 
Re: Gray Ghost (Frank) on another bigoted racist rant -- More WO
"Bo Raxo" <c  2008-07-30 10:11:20 
Re: Gray Ghost (Frank) on another bigoted racist rant -- More WO
grey_ghost471-newsgroups@  2008-07-30 14:02:08 
Re: Gray Ghost (Frank) on another bigoted racist rant -- More WO
Chris Morton <cmorton@  2008-08-01 14:01:36 
Re: Gray Ghost (Frank) on another bigoted racist rant -- More WO
Bo Raxo <crimenewscent  2008-08-08 15:20:52 
Re: Gray Ghost Frank Exposes His Abject Bigotry and Racism Once
whitevamp <fvrnite@[EM  2008-08-15 08:09:17 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= kOOk Alert!
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-15 13:34:03 
Re: Posts we never finished reading
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-16 14:24:02 
Re: Posts we never finished reading
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-16 16:48:38 
Re: Posts we never finished reading
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-16 16:39:24 
Re: Posts we never finished reading, Lies Kent Wills never stops
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-16 16:40:00 
Re: Posts we never finished reading, Lies Kent Wills never stops
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-17 10:39:27 
Re: Posts we never finished reading, Lies Kent Wills never stops
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-17 14:42:37 
Re: Posts we never finished reading, Lies Kent Wills never stops
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-17 20:09:16 
Re: Posts we never finished reading, Lies Kent Wills never stops
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-17 19:48:43 
Re: Posts we never finished reading are Gay like Kent Wills....
<honestjohn@[EMAIL PRO  2008-08-16 20:22:08 
Re: Posts we never finished reading, Lies foreverlyingcunt never
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-16 16:38:51 
jonesie meltdown du jour
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-17 06:08:29 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! Jonesie panics
forevernitefan <fvrnit  2008-08-16 13:24:01 
Posts we never finished reading
tjab@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-08-16 16:34:26 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-16 16:37:16 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-17 10:29:56 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
tjab@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-08-17 14:02:42 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-17 20:24:25 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-18 10:54:55 
Re: => Kent Wills + Moe Forevernitefan = Two Liars, One Cup ! <=
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-17 23:34:03 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"_ Prof. Jonez _&quo  2008-08-17 14:43:21 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
Kerry Ladd <Gus@[EMAIL  2008-08-17 17:38:39 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
Kent Wills <compuelf@[  2008-08-17 20:24:41 
Re: whitevamp? (moe) goes PSYCHO! <= still a lying cunt
"Reality_Check©"  2008-08-17 20:25:55 
Re: Amerikkkans like Bama Brian = Utterly Pig-Ignorant about His
grey_ghost471-newsgroups@  2008-07-23 20:19:45 
Re: Amerikkkans like Bama Brian = Utterly Pig-Ignorant about His
"Reality_Check©"  2008-07-23 23:47:16 
Re: Amerikkkans like Bama Brian = Utterly Pig-Ignorant about His
grey_ghost471-newsgroups@  2008-07-24 01:18:29 
Re: Amerikkkans like Gray Ghost Frank = Utterly Pig-Ignorant abo
"Reality_Check©"  2008-07-24 00:36:49 
Re: Amerikkkans like Bama Brian = Utterly Pig-Ignorant about His
Chris Morton <cmorton@  2008-08-01 14:13:28 
Re: Amerikkkans like Bama Brian = Utterly Pig-Ignorant about His
Michael Ejercito <meje  2008-08-04 08:31:16 

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