Re: England's getting odder.

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> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:57:24 GMT, "Blinky Bill" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:59:13 GMT, "Blinky Bill" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:36:25 GMT, "Blinky Bill" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>, just as you couldn't
>>prove your lie that VT is a K-12 school. You tell so many lies, 
>>odiousfart.
>>Aren't you embarrassed when you get caught? I suppose you get caught so
>>often that you are acustomed to it. ROTFLMAO

Poor odiousfart - he keeps getting caught in his lies.

>>
>>>
>>> Keep dancing, buffoon....
>>
>>A sure sign you have been spanked when you resort to personal abuse 
>>ROTFLMAO
>>But keep dancing. odiousfart.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Therefore it is indeed a Virginia law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cite the law that made VT policy become state law.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never claimed it did, you liar.
>>>>
>>>>"Virginia law banned guns on campus".
>>>>
>>>>So you try to squirm away by claiming you  are using "Virginia law" in
a
>>>>different sense from "the law of the state of Virginia". ROTFLMAO
>>>
>>>
>>> And Virginia law does indeed ban the guns.
>>
>>Then cite the Virginia state law that bans guns on campus
>
> Already done.

So far just handwaving and dancing, odiousfart. How does the do***ent you 
cited give VT authority to ban guns when neither "authority" nor "banning 
guns" is mentioned? The do***ent merely requires the VT Board to commit to

seeking to ensure safety and security. There is no mention of any 
authorisation to make rules to provide that safety and security.


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>
>>, odiousfart.
>>Handwaving and dancing about VT policy is not proof that there is a
state
>>law.
>
> There are many state laws, idiot. And I cited the one that gives the
> school the authority to ban guns.

Nobody else seems to think that law gave VT the authority to ban guns - 
certainly not the Virginia legislature or the Virginia Tech Review Panel. 
Poor pathetic odiousfart - the only one in step - everybody else is out of

step ROTFLMAO

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>
>
>>Certainly the Virginia legislature didn't think any state law banned
>>guns on campus because they introduced bills to give colleges the 
>>authority
>>to ban guns.
>
> No need - they had already done so.

They didn't think there was no need - nobody else seems to think a law 
governing financial eligibility authorised VT to ban guns, except 
odiousfart.

>
>
>> The Virginia Tech Review Panel also didn't think there was any
>>state law banning guns on campus, because they wrote -
>>
>>"The Virginia General Assembly should adopt legislation in the 2008 
>>session
>>clearly establi****ng the right of every institution of higher education
in
>>the Commonwealth to regulate the possession of firearms on campus if it
so
>>desires. The panel recommends that guns be banned on campus grounds and
in
>>buildings unless mandated by law."
>>Only odiousfart seems to think there is already Virginia law banning
guns 
>>on
>>campus. Everybody else is wrong ROTFLMAO
>
> I simply quoted laws already on the books.

The only problem is that it doesn't provide the authority you claim that
it 
does. But I am accustomed to your lies. You quoted a  law that addressed 
eligibility for financial aid, not banning guns on campus. It didn't
mention 
"guns" or "authority". It set out the criteria for being eligible for 
financial assitance from the state. It also requires the Board of the 
university to commit to a number of measures, including the seeking to 
ensure safety of students. It sets goals, it doesn't give authority to
make 
policy to achieve those goals. That is done in a different do***ent
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+23-9.2C3
which specifically gives the University authority to make rules in certain

matters. Guns isn't one of them.

>  If the Tech panel is wrong,

They aren't - you are, odiousfart.

> feel free to tale it up with them

You say they are wrong, you take it up with them - I agree with them when 
they say the Virginia legislature should pass laws enabling colleges to
ban 
guns on campus. They say that because they know such a law doesn't already

exist.

>
>>Then point out the state law that requires and enables the state to 
>>enforce
>>VT policy.
>
> Sure, simply put it is commonly called "tresspassing"

But you said the state enforced university policy of banning guns. State
law 
regarding trespassing is unrelated to carrying guns on VT property. Once 
again, what you write is "very difficult to understand", but like your
lies, 
I am accustomed to that. You have been soundly spanked and are now
squirming 
and wriggling like bait. ROTFLMAO

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>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> When a VT student was found with a
>>>>weapon the following happened - "The unnamed student was not charged 
>>>>with
>>>>any crimes because he holds a state-issued permit allowing him to
carry 
>>>>a
>>>>concealed gun."
>>>>
>>>>He wasn't charged with a crime because he didn't break any state law
>>>
>>> Sure he did, stupid.
>>
>>A sure sign you have been spanked when you resort to personal abuse 
>>ROTFLMAO
>>Which state law, odiousfart?
>>>
>>>
>>>> he
>>>>breached VT policy, which obviously then isn't law. Otherwise he would
>>>>have
>>>>been charged with a crime..
>>>
>>> LOL You are an idiot.
>>
>>A sure sign you have been spanked when you resort to personal abuse 
>>ROTFLMAO
>>
>>>  He certainly could have been charegd with a
>>> crime.
>>
>>Then cite the state law which you claim he broke.
>
>
> See above

All I saw was your squirming and handwaving ROTFLMAO

>
>
>>
>>> Because the administration chose niot to do so is immaterial.
>>
>>The administration can't charge him with breaking a state law
>
> Sure can

The University can complain to the state authorities accusing a student of

breaking a state law. If you think the University itself can charge him
with 
breaking a state law, then cite that legislation that allows that, or give
a 
few examples.

>
>
>>, and it
>>certainly can't charge him with a breaking a law that doesn't exist.
>
> It does,

Then cite the Virginia law that bans handguns on campus.

> and they can.

How can the University charge him with breaking any law, especially one
that 
doesn't exist.

>
>
>>ROTFLMAO
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The right to make University policy is granted to the University by
>>>>> the state laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you too stupid to understand that?
>>>>
>>>>No,
>>>
>>> Actually, yes
>>
>>You are lying again, odiousfart - I haven't written anything to suggest 
>>that
>>the University hasn't been granted the right to make its own policy.
>
>
> Right above idiot. Why deny your own words?
>
>
>
>> If you
>>think I have written anything that denies that VT had the right to make 
>>its
>>own policies, then cite it here, otherwise you are lying again

Don't hold back - point where I have said that the University can't make 
it's own policy.


>>
>>
>>What I am disputing is your claim that there is state law banning guns
on
>>campus.
>
> Dispute all you want; you are free to be stupid.

Not as stupid as to claim that a University policy banning guns is state
law 
about trespassing ROTFLMAO

>
>
>
>> Nobody else seems to think so
>
> LOL Just you

No - dopey - it is only you who believes that there is a state law banning

guns on campus. Have you just made another of your flipflops? ROTFLMAO

>
>
>> and you can't provide any evidence.
>
> Already cited - you just ignore it.

So you now claim to have provided evidence to sup****t something that only
I 
believe, and you don't. You are quite mad. Can't you even understand what 
you write yourself?


>
>
>
>>Anybody more cynical than me would think you are lying. It seems the
more
>>spanked you get, the more lies you tell ROTFLMAO
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> but you are too stupid to understand that University policy is not
>>>>Virginia law.
>>>
>>> But Virginia law does enforce University policy.
>>
>>Then cite the Virginia law that enables that
>
> Sure - uit is called trespass

The university policy relates to banning guns on campus. Virginia trespass

law relates to being unlawfully on property - only a gun loon would see
them 
as being the same. You are certainly squirming well this time - you
provide 
endless amusement, odiousfart.

>
>
>
>>for the VT policy regarding
>>guns on campus. You assertion and endless handwaving is not proof,
>>odiousfart.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  It has the policy and the
>>>>>>> right - granted to it by the state - to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then cite the state legislation that gives it that right.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+23-38.88
>>>>> 12. Seek to ensure the safety and security of the Commonwealth's
>>>>> students on college and university campuses.
>>>>
>>>>That doesn't mention banning guns. And it doesn't mean that University
>>>>policy is state law.
>>>
>>> LOL  Doesn't have to, stupid.

That is what you said it was. Is this another flip flop?


>>> It gfrants the University the right to
>>> formulatethe policies it deems appropriate.
>>
>>No it doesn't
>
> Sure does, stupid

A sure sign you have been spanked when you resort to personal abuse
ROTFLMAO

>- can't you read?

Yes,stupid, and I can't see the word "authority" in the text, or anything 
about banning guns. All I can see is that the Board of VT had to commit to

seeking to ensure safety and security of students. There is no mention in 
that do***ent of authority to make rules being granted. That is done 
elsewhere, and there is no mention of banning guns in the other do***ent.

>
>
>> can't you read, odiousfart? It doesn't grant anything. Look
>>at the title of the do***ent, stupid  "Eligibility for restructured
>>financial and administrative operational authority". The do***ent 
>>specifies
>>the eligibility criteria for participating in a restructuring of state
>>assistance.
>>
>>>
>>> And the only one making some idiotic claim about University policy
>>> being law is **YOU** trying to dance around.
>>
>>Don't lie again, odiousfart. Here is what you wrote
>>
>>"The following link takes you to the University policies, which the
>>University has the authority to enforce from, guess wht dummycluck, the
>>state of Virginaia. Ergo, Virginia law prohibits weapons on campus as
out
>>lined in the policy."
>>
>>So it is you claiming that University policy is law, not me. I have
always
>>disputed your unsup****ted claim that the VT policy banning guns is 
>>Virginia
>>law. Now you want to flip-flop, as you usually do when caught in a lie.
>
>
> No flip flop - just your stupidity.

Why is it stupid for me to point out that your claim that I am "the only
one 
making some idiotic claim about University policy being law", is a lie and

in fact I haven't made that claim. In fact it is only **YOU** making that 
claim. Why is pointing out your lies stupidity?

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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Upon making such commitments to the Governor and the General
Assembly
>>>>> by August 1, 2005, the public institution of higher education shall
be
>>>>> allowed to exercise the restructured financial and operational
>>>>> authority set forth in subdivisions A 1 through A 13 of § 23-38.88,
>>>>
>>>>Sections A1 to A13 are on the URL that you cite above, at the
beginning 
>>>>of
>>>>the do***ent. It is no surprise to me (or anyone else accustomed to
your
>>>>lies) that banning weapons is not mentioned. Feel free to point out 
>>>>which
>>>>of
>>>>A1 to A13 gives the University  the authority to ban guns on campus.
>>>
>>>
>>> Glad to idiot. Here it is again
>>>
>>> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+23-38.88
>>> 12. Seek to ensure the safety and security of the Commonwealth's
>>> students on college and university campuses.
>>>
>>>
>>> have an adult explain it to you......
>>
>>I already know that you aren't an adult
>
> As demonstrated by your posting, you know very little.

I certainly know that legislation specifying the eligibility criteria for 
financial and administrative reorganisation doesn't grant authority to
make 
rules. And I cited the legislation that does grant authority to VT to make

rules, and that legislation doesn't mention banning guns. Of course 
odiousfart displays the usual behaviour of a spanked gunloon - he snips 
facts that he doesn't like and puts his hands over his ears and ignores 
reality. ROTFLMAO