Re: What is the point of hate laws?

On Apr 18, 12:04=A0am, kmc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
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 (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
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> >> >Hate crime laws were established to protect the downtrodden
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> >> >from the massively racist society of the U.S., or at least that's
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> >> >they want you to think. They serve to show that all Americans
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> >> >justice but some deserve more than others. When people assault and
> >> >murder each other it's alway a hate crime. I don't think someone who
> >> >was particularly fond of me would mug me and beat me up. Hate crime
> >> >legislation wouldn't be too horrible if it only allowed the judge to
> >> >extend a sentence but in many states it requires that he do so.
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> >> Tell it to the Tutsis.
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> > What the hell are you talking about? =A0What good would hate crime
> >legislation do for people who were the subject of genocide? =A0Surely
> >the penalty for multiple murder is about as bad as it can get and
> >hate crime laws wouldn't increase it.
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> The Hutu government actively fostered hatred against Tutsis, using the
> government's own radio facilities to do it. Genocide was encouraged
> through hate speech.

  And if hate speech laws had been on the books who would have
prosecuted?
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> Without that hate speech, there would have been no genocide.
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  Without the government paying people to kill there would have been
no genocide.  The government is far more likely to be prosecuted for
that than for a few radio broadcasts.

> The same thing happened during the NAZI era, where government organs of
> propaganda were used to create the atmosphere which permitted genocide.
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> think it is accurate to say that the Holocaust began with hate speech.
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  But if hate speech had been all that the government had done it
would
not have created the holocaust.  Murder is already illegal as is
genocide,
so what is the point of making hate speech illegal?

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