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Re: Liberals: Defend capital gains taxes

by E.F. Hokie <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 20, 2008 at 03:05 PM

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:53:58 -0500, Chris Bellomy wrote...

> No, my point is that government, properly conceived, is the
> instrument of the common good, and not an entity with financial
> self-interest beyond achieving its mandate as dictated by the
> voters.

Umm.. duh?

> Now, you may fairly respond that government often is executed
> to line the pockets of the corrupt, which is obviously true.

I suppose, but not all waste (or even most of it, I think) has to do 
with corruption.  I think it has more to do with the idea that the money 
is the government's, as opposed to the taxpayers'. 

> My counterpoint is that the moment we start crafting law that
> assumes government to be a corrupt actor, the corruption becomes
> absolutely endemic to the institution and the American experiment
> fails. At some point, we have to assume that we *can* create a
> government that comes pretty close to doing the right thing,
> even if the current iteration doesn't.

Correcting the taxation problem in the United States isn't crafting laws 
which assumes the government is corrupt.  It's crafting laws which seek 
to prevent the op****tunities for money to be wasted.

I would also like to point out that your argument is a bit of a red 
herring, in that there are quite a few laws which not only allow for but 
practically count on a certain amount of governmental corruption.  There 
are entire sections of the U.S. Code which provide means for redress in 
the face of corruption, waste, fraud, etc.  Hell, the highest law in the 
land specifically mentions that the citizenry has a right to "chrow de 
bums out!" if the government goes too far to the bad. (not that a 
Revolution is really possible anymore, but anyway...)

-- 
E.F. Hokie

<insert witty or profound quote here>
 




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Liberals: Defend capital gains taxes
Joey Telemachus <joeyT  2008-04-18 21:08:58 
Re: Liberals: Defend capital gains taxes
Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-18 23:15:32 
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Joey Telemachus <joeyT  2008-04-18 21:17:44 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-18 23:58:38 
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"Clave" <Cla  2008-04-18 22:14:38 
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Joey Telemachus <joeyT  2008-04-18 22:21:31 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-04-19 00:47:48 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-18 23:59:26 
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Joey Telemachus <joeyT  2008-04-18 22:21:17 
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Eagle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-19 12:54:11 
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"Clave" <Cla  2008-04-18 21:59:52 
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The Downhill Battle <i  2008-04-18 22:04:12 
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E.F. Hokie <nospam@[EM  2008-04-19 01:21:46 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-19 00:55:41 
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George Grapman <sfgeor  2008-04-18 22:58:55 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-19 01:33:50 
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Eagle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-19 12:57:25 
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Patrick Karl <jpkarl@[  2008-04-19 10:47:40 
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"Lord Gow333, Conser  2008-04-20 08:22:10 
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<ahall@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-20 08:39:56 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-20 12:58:49 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-04-20 18:58:10 
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Dennis J <drjudsjr@[EM  2008-04-21 10:54:34 
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Eagle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-19 12:49:45 
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John Rogers <tiger7_88  2008-04-19 10:30:10 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-04-19 14:36:14 
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lein <boomer_the_cat@[  2008-04-19 12:54:53 
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Eagle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-19 20:45:05 
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<ahall@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-20 08:38:48 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-04-20 16:39:37 
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"J.C. \"Watts\&  2008-04-20 05:51:10 
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E.F. Hokie <nospam@[EM  2008-04-20 11:15:18 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-20 13:00:39 
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E.F. Hokie <nospam@[EM  2008-04-20 14:04:01 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-20 13:53:58 
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E.F. Hokie <nospam@[EM  2008-04-20 15:05:02 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-20 14:31:37 
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The BorgMan <me@[EMAIL  2008-04-21 19:59:49 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-04-20 19:07:38 
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"C The Shocker"  2008-04-21 02:41:19 
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Dennis J <drjudsjr@[EM  2008-04-21 10:58:58 
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"J.C. \"Watts\&  2008-04-20 13:57:29 
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OrangeSFO <intangible1  2008-04-20 20:40:26 
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Michael Price <nini_pa  2008-04-23 21:09:34 
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"DaVoice" <d  2008-04-24 11:46:43 
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George Grapman <sfgeor  2008-04-24 11:52:23 
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rich hammett <bubbaric  2008-04-24 14:12:00 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-24 15:23:12 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-04-24 18:41:59 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-24 18:43:30 
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Eric Kemp <eric.kemp@[  2008-04-24 20:26:59 
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"da pickle" <  2008-04-24 19:33:09 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-25 02:28:52 
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"Randolph M. Jones&q  2008-04-25 09:53:54 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-04-25 14:33:16 
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"da pickle" <  2008-04-25 09:53:34 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-25 12:45:10 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-04-25 12:44:09 
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"Guy" <nospa  2008-04-24 17:28:32 
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Patrick Karl <jpkarl@[  2008-04-25 10:43:11 
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"Bob T." <bo  2008-04-24 13:46:32 
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Patrick Karl <jpkarl@[  2008-04-25 10:48:47 
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"da pickle" <  2008-04-25 11:08:27 
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"Bob T." <bo  2008-04-24 14:52:54 
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"da pickle" <  2008-04-24 17:03:57 
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Del Tompkins <del@[EMA  2008-04-25 00:32:12 
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Michael Price <nini_pa  2008-04-24 22:31:33 
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Michael Price <nini_pa  2008-04-24 22:33:49 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-06-01 18:15:07 
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Eagle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-02 13:51:58 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-06-02 10:18:18 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-06-01 20:07:04 
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"C The Shocker"  2008-06-02 00:20:58 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-06-01 20:38:47 
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"chadbryant.net"  2008-06-02 01:30:31 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-06-02 03:54:31 
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"Orson Wells as Citi  2008-06-02 23:21:59 
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ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-06-03 17:31:50 
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Chris Bellomy <ten.woh  2008-06-01 22:24:08 
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Dennis J <drjudsjr@[EM  2008-06-07 02:29:24 
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"NapalmHeart" &  2008-04-19 01:51:03 
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"Lord Gow333, Conser  2008-04-20 08:24:27 
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"BillB" <bog  2008-04-19 06:36:01 
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Hothead McCain <no@[EM  2008-04-19 07:04:37 
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Patrick Karl <jpkarl@[  2008-04-19 10:53:40 
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"BillB" <bog  2008-04-19 19:40:06 
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"Jim L. Fixit"   2008-04-20 06:18:47 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-04-20 22:20:51 
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"C The Shocker"  2008-04-21 02:31:49 
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E.F. Hokie <nospam@[EM  2008-04-20 14:04:47 
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"mccard" <no  2008-04-20 13:08:51 
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Michael Price <nini_pa  2008-04-23 21:19:02 
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rich hammett <bubbaric  2008-04-24 02:24:29 
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Michael Price <nini_pa  2008-04-24 22:29:59 
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"Irish Mike" &l  2008-04-25 03:17:22 
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