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Re: "William Flax" when did you puposefully decide to become an American?

by "Frank Arthur" <Art@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 24, 2008 at 05:40 PM

You are using the benefits of your long duration family history 
instead of standing on your own two feet. How far has that gotten you 
compared to Barack Obama who has very little going for his "family 
benefit" or "color" or "name"?
Nearly half of the American electorate want him to be the President of 
the United States. How many want you for anything?


"William Flax" <krtq73aa@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:Ma6ik.7249$vn7.6776@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Frank Arthur" <Art@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:Kr5ik.6132$t32.1456@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Well "William Flax" when did you puposefully decide to become an
>> American?
>> Or are you too an "Accidental American" by pure chance that your
>> father was an American citizen?
>>
> There was no "pure chance" involved.  Three of my four grandparents 
> were in
> fact immigrants, who came here seeking to make their way in the 
> established
> political society known as Ohio, which had the same physical domain 
> then as
> it now has, during the period between 1877 and 1901.  Ohio, then, as 
> now,
> was a very significant constituent Republic in the America that the 
> Founding
> Fathers created.
>
> Again, there was nothing chance about the commitments involved.  If 
> you do
> not understand the concept of multi-generational purpose and 
> commitment, you
> do not understand what constitutes any nation.
>
> For a response to the mystical nonsense that President Bush prattled 
> on the
> subject of immigration, a couple of years ago--when he suggested 
> that
> America was somehow ideology, rather than family and lines of 
> descent:
>
> http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/bush1.htm
>
>
>>
>> "William Flax" <krtq73aa@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:qj5ik.8848$L_.1977@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >                               An Accidental American
>> >
>> > On July 2nd, we posted the following brief comment to a number of
>> > forums:
>> >
>> > "At first blush, it sounds like a nice attitude, when Senator 
>> > Obama
>> > states
>> > that he will never question another man's patriotism. But a 
>> > closer
>> > look will
>> > reveal how inappropriate it would be for the Senator to ever, in
>> > fact, do
>> > so.  While Senator Obama may, technically, be allowed to run for
>> > President if he was, in fact, born in the United States--the
>> > Constitutional
>> > requirement;--he is, at best, only an accidental American. His
>> > father did
>> > not come here as a settler, nor as an immigrant. He came purely 
>> > as a
>> > student, a citizen of Kenya from a small minority tribe in that 
>> > land
>> > on the
>> > opposite side of Africa. He finished his studies and returned 
>> > home,
>> > leaving
>> > his wife, of a brief period, with the baby Senator. She then 
>> > removed
>> > the
>> > baby Senator to Indonesia--apparently to avoid the association of
>> > other
>> > Americans--but eventually the young Obama came back.
>> >
>> > "It is only because so many Americans have been conditioned by
>> > Leftist
>> > academics & the media, to be embarrassed in taking pride in their
>> > own
>> > heritage and lines of descent, that the accident of Senator 
>> > Obama's
>> > Americanism is not the subject for humor at every dinner table; 
>> > at
>> > the bar
>> > in every pub; on vehicles of public trans****tation; and in a 
>> > million
>> > phone
>> > calls by the hour. Yet somehow, this new indifference to family 
>> > and
>> > ethnicity, does not fit in a land which used to be described in 
>> > our
>> > song,
>> > "America," as "Land where my fathers died." One supposes that the
>> > new
>> > version will read, "Land that my father visited."
>> >
>> > "Yes, folks, somehow that does not quite seem like the way that
>> > "preserved
>> > us a nation," in The Star Spangled Banner.
>> >
>> > "William Flax"
>> >
>> > The post drew some nasty comments, assailing the author. It also
>> > drew one,
>> > which deserves a response; one useful, in offering us a chance to
>> > make an
>> > im****tant distinction. The poster suggested that we were off the
>> > mark in
>> > seeming to judge the Senator by his parents' behavior, rather 
>> > than
>> > his own
>> > merit; that such was not the way one should be judged in a nation
>> > that had
>> > always respected, even honored, the individual. While the point 
>> > of
>> > our post
>> > had not been directed to any judgment of Senator Obama, one way 
>> > or
>> > another--rather to changes in the way the general population
>> > responded to
>> > the phenomenon represented by the Senator's success--the 
>> > responder's
>> > point
>> > deserved attention. My web site http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa
>> > is as oriented to the individual as almost any on the internet. 
>> > Let
>> > us,
>> > then, examine what is relevant in respect to which issue.
>> >
>> >                                An Individual Or Family 
>> > Determinant?
>> >
>> > Clearly, in *****sing Senator Obama's character, ability,
>> > intelligence,
>> > behavior and ideas, he should be judged as an individual. While 
>> > his
>> > personal
>> > traits will to a very large extent reflect the particular genetic
>> > combinations that resulted in his conception, it is not material 
>> > to
>> > a fair
>> > *****sment of his exhibited personal traits that his father was a
>> > Luo
>> > tribesman from Kenya, just passing through, or that his mother 
>> > may
>> > have had
>> > some sort of aversion to rooted Americans. While he has his 
>> > parents'
>> > genes,
>> > what he does with the combination will prove, indeed, the measure 
>> > of
>> > the
>> > man. Thus we can recognize that Senator Obama--in comparison to 
>> > many
>> > of his
>> > political contem****aries--seems quite intelligent; quite 
>> > eloquent;
>> > both
>> > sincere and caring.
>> >
>> > Yet, while a good speaker, by today's sorry standards, the level 
>> > of
>> > Obama's
>> > oratory is markedly inferior to what would have been acceptable 
>> > in
>> > America
>> > prior to the terrible war of the 1860s. The Obama approach is far
>> > too
>> > sloganized; his development of issues far too superficial; his 
>> > grasp
>> > of the
>> > human experience far too clearly shaped by the egalitarian, 
>> > heavily
>> > Marxist
>> > influenced, climate in contem****ary American "Higher Education." 
>> > He
>> > ****nes
>> > today, because of the decline in our level of political 
>> > discussion
>> > and
>> > debate--a subject frequently dealt with at this website. He also
>> > benefits
>> > from deliberate efforts in the academic world to convince 
>> > gullible
>> > White
>> > Americans, that they are somehow responsible for many, if not 
>> > most,
>> > of the
>> > problems of the rest of humanity. We believe that some have seen 
>> > his
>> > candidacy as a way to purge their fantasies of imaginary guilt.
>> >
>> > Yet our post on "An Accidental American" was not about Senator
>> > Obama's worth
>> > as an individual. It was about a nation losing its normal 
>> > defensive
>> > mechanisms, losing its sense of identity. And a nation is not 
>> > about
>> > an array
>> > of disparate individuals, each "doing his own thing." It is not a
>> > game of
>> > "musical chairs," as it were; where it little matters who 
>> > occupies
>> > which
>> > particular chair, at any given instant in time.
>> >
>> > A Nation is about families, with common multi-generational 
>> > purpose
>> > and
>> > values; about continuity in the pursuit of shared goals; about
>> > common
>> > history, kin****p, kindred lines of descent; shared triumphs &
>> > defeats,
>> > achievements & failures: A common vision of a linked posterity,
>> > unique from
>> > that of any other folk or nation. Our point, in posting the
>> > "Accidental
>> > American," was derived from recognition of a failing perception 
>> > of
>> > the
>> > traditional nation. And, yes, it does make a difference, in how 
>> > one
>> > views
>> > the Obama candidacy, that his father was just 'passing through.'
>> > Thus, while
>> > that candidacy, itself, was not the point; we might suggest that
>> > perhaps,
>> > just perhaps, it is not quite fitting for one, here only because 
>> > his
>> > father
>> > happened to pass through some of the member States, to be
>> > campaigning on a
>> > repeated promise to "change America."
>> >
>> > To run some 'rascals' out of Government might be well and good. 
>> > But
>> > it is
>> > not Senator Obama's place to tell the rest of us, that we must
>> > change an
>> > existing Nation, its heritage and traditions. A Nation is about
>> > family,
>> > lines of descent, the multi-generational process of building on 
>> > past
>> > achievements, cultural and material, of an ethnically definable
>> > people.
>> > America is all about her rooted families; about building on their
>> > past
>> > achievements, their traditions, mores and identity; on their 
>> > shared
>> > experiences in the pursuit of common goals, so well defined at
>> > America's
>> > birth.
>> >
>> > William Flax [http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/mischief.htm]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
 




 5 Posts in Topic:
Accidental American!
"William Flax"   2008-07-24 16:12:59 
"William Flax" when did you puposefully decide to become an Amer
"Frank Arthur"   2008-07-24 16:19:47 
Re: "William Flax" when did you puposefully decide to become an
"Frank Arthur"   2008-07-24 17:40:56 
Re: "William Flax" when did you puposefully decide to become an
"William Flax"   2008-07-24 21:11:59 
Re: "William Flax" when did you puposefully decide to become an
"William Flax"   2008-07-24 17:13:26 

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