On Jul 24, 5:43=A0pm, LCargil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Jul 24, 11:07 am, The Trucker <mik...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:21:18 -0700, tg wrote:
> > > On Jul 23, 8:46 pm, no...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(PeterBP) wrote:
> > >> Mark M. <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >> > Is thecommongood really so hard a concept to grasp?
>
> > >> No, but as Aristotle said, an educated man can entertain an idea
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> > >> believeing in it; the same goes for the "commong good" as it goes
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> > >> Snoopy and The Buddy Birds.
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> > >> The problem with this mythological concept is that its proponents
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ver
> > >> bother to accurately define it, delineate it, enumerate how good
the
> > >>commongood is, and who it is good for, etc. When challenged to
> > >> specificy what this "commongood" exactly is, it usually goes
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> > >> from appearently reasoned debate to screaming and mudslinging, and
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> > >> of accusations of egoism, anti-social mindset, indifference to
suffe=
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> > >> of others, etc and blah-blah-blah ad nauseam of the poor fool who
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> > >> the indecency to challenge this exalted idea.
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> > >> Furthermore, it is used to excuse senseless expansion of scope and
> > >> powers of government, even for things that only a madman would
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> > >> be "good", much less a "commongood".
>
> > > As usual, refuting this stuff is almost too easy.
>
> > > If you are trying to have a philosophical discussion, and someone
> > > offers a definition, then it is possible to continue the
conversation
> > > based on that definition. =A0For example, if I define a circle as a
> > > geometric figure with four sides of equal length at right angles to
> > > each other, we can continue to discuss geometry quite nicely.
>
> > > The only reason for you to raise this business is that you are
> > > interested in propaganda/politics, not a philosophical discussion.
So
> > > here:
>
> > > I define acommongood as a good that is held by all members of a
> > > group. =A0That is no more difficult to understand than saying that
so=
me
> > > group has acommoneye color.
>
> > > So if all members of a group wish to have a life span of at least 72
> > > years, living to 72 is acommongood.
>
> > > -tg
>
> > Your definition of "commongood" is not actually correct in that it is
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> > too literal. =A0If there is a psychopathic member of the society that
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ruly
> > believes that his "good" is superior to all others then with your
> > definition of "commongood" there is no government action (law and
> > enforcement) that would obtain to be the "commongood". =A0The
"commongo=
od"
> > is the good of the vast majority and not what is perceived as "good"
by
> > the minority idiot fringe.
>
> So if the domain of people is "antebellum slave owners", then
> laws enforcing slavery are a common good?
>
To whom is the question directed? In my construction, that is correct.
But then you don't actually know what the term "domain" means, do you?
-tg
> > "I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
> > of society but the people themselves; and
> > if we think them not enlightened enough to
> > exercise their control with a wholesome
> > discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
> > them, but to inform their discretion by
> > education." - Thomas Jeffersonhttp://GreaterVoice.org/extend
>
> --
> Les Cargukk
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